New Football League Rule

[ZacNaloen]

Norway is far richer than Germany isn't it? Anyway what's that got to do with this...

GDP Norway = $452 Billion US

GDP Germany = $3.65 Trillion US

[Negative_Jeff]

Yes but the GDP per capita in Norway is roughly ten per cent higher than Germany. You need also to look at the level of debt in relation to GDP to work out who is "rich".

[ZacNaloen]

Yes but the GDP per capita in Norway is roughly ten per cent higher than Germany. You need also to look at the level of debt in relation to GDP to work out who is "rich".

Yet the cost of living in Norway is significantly higher.

[Wycombe Royal]

Where does the GDP of Germany and Norway fit in to this new Football League rule?

[brendywendy]

Norway is far richer than Germany isn't it? Anyway what's that got to do with this...

Great news for English footy. If only we could put a similar restriction on other professionals too eg nurses, doctors, IT etc... we'd see less home grown talent that we've paid 1000s to train sitting jobless because someone who can't even speak the language has paid their way through a dodgy foreign university, paid a company to a fill in a misleadingly good application form only to send the money out of our economy...

(I'm allowed to say all that - son of immigrants)

so there are home grown doctors and nurses who weve spent 1000s on in training who arent employed cos of all the immis?

[ZacNaloen]

Where does the GDP of Germany and Norway fit in to this new Football League rule?

I believe it was the suggestion by someone that Norway, because of it's natural resources, is an economic powerhouse. I don't know why it was brought up.

[Z175]

http://www.readingfc.co.uk/page/NewsDet ... 45,00.html

Back on track - the OS put this list together when the rule was drafted.

I can't see how this helps the England team unless we're hoping the next Fabregas/Sigurdsson will choose to play for England!
The absurdity of it all is highlitghted by the fact that one Hunt brother qualifies and the other doesn't!

I know you can't ban numbers of non-English people as its apparently discrimination and the Non-Eu rules of a few years ago just led to people like Noberto Solano being Greek etc. So I would rather have no rule than this. All it does is encourage young kids of under 14 to be moved alone across continents , most of whom will not make the grade!

how about an "England bonus" a sum (eg a million ) payable by the FA for an England debut cap to the team that registered the player at 15/16?

[Forbury Lion]

when they say homegrown they do mean in the uk, not at RFC dont they?


if so, its pretty much our entire squad barring kebe, cisse and matejovski......

Homegrown means something like they have been assigned to a English (or home nations, I think) club for at least 3 years years before the age 21. Something like that.

The irony is that Fabregas will be classed as a foreigner if he was to transfer to a Spanish club this summer

[Forbury Lion]

The FA could charge all clubs a fee for participating in their leagues and then pay it all back as a bonus for those who encourage English player development i.e. based on appearances by players of English nationality.

It should be introduces slowly, maybe pay a club 100% bonus in the first season if they field 2 English players in all games, then next season 4 players and so on... after about

[marettes]

As I understand the new rule "home-grown" means "registered in domestic football for three seasons before their 21st birthday". Nothing to do with nationality or country of birth. My question might be: does "domestic football" mean the English Football League ie not Scotland, Wales or Ireland North and South?

The Premier League clubs have also agreed slightly different rules on the number of "home-grown" players in their squads. From next season, each club will, at the end of every transfer window, have to name at least eight "home-grown" players in a squad of 25. To qualify as home-grown, a player will have had to be registered for at least three seasons at an English or Welsh club between the ages of 16 and 21.

[Z175]

As I understand the new rule "home-grown" means "registered in domestic football for three seasons before their 21st birthday". Nothing to do with nationality or country of birth. My question might be: does "domestic football" mean the English Football League ie not Scotland, Wales or Ireland North and South?

The Premier League clubs have also agreed slightly different rules on the number of "home-grown" players in their squads. From next season, each club will, at the end of every transfer window, have to name at least eight "home-grown" players in a squad of 25. To qualify as home-grown, a player will have had to be registered for at least three seasons at an English or Welsh club between the ages of 16 and 21.

Domestic football means in England. eg. N Hunt is not home-grown as he started in Scotland

[Barry the bird boggler]

Shane Long possibly might qualify as "home grown" as he was 18 when he joined in 2005

For the record the AGM also decided to change the fit and proper persons test. It's now called the Director's test.

So that fully justifies the expense in flying out to Malta for the meeting.

[Forbury Lion]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8255784.stm

To qualify as home grown, a player will have had to be registered for at least three seasons at an English or Welsh club between the ages of 16 and 21.

So, We can only have 25 players over 21 of which 10 must be classed as domestic, However we can field as many under 21 as we like next season with no home grown restriction.

Question 1 - What if we name 25 players under 21, Would we be forced to sign 10 has beens to tick a box?

Question 2 - What if an Ian Wright type of situation occurs whereby a 25 year old is discovered who can play football but has never been affiliated with any club home or abroad? Same applies to players who are at existing clubs but were unaffiliated before age 21?

Question 3 - Could a U21 not spend 3 years liked to a club but not live in that country e.g. Sonny Pike who was on the books of Ajax but lived with his parents in the UK? Could we see Man Utd signing players up all over the world and training them locally - They could become home grown without even having a valid work permit or EU passport.

[Wycombe Royal]

[Question 2 - What if an Ian Wright type of situation occurs whereby a 25 year old is discovered who can play football but has never been affiliated with any club home or abroad? Same applies to players who are at existing clubs but were unaffiliated before age 21?

It is unlikely that someone entering the professional game has not been playing football at a lower level. As long as they have been registered with a club, regardless of how far down the pyramid it is, then I assume that qualifies.

Ian Wright was playing football before being snapped up by Palace, just as McAnuff would have been before being snapped up by Wimbledon.

[Forbury Lion]

[Question 2 - What if an Ian Wright type of situation occurs whereby a 25 year old is discovered who can play football but has never been affiliated with any club home or abroad? Same applies to players who are at existing clubs but were unaffiliated before age 21?

It is unlikely that someone entering the professional game has not been playing football at a lower level. As long as they have been registered with a club, regardless of how far down the pyramid it is, then I assume that qualifies.

Ian Wright was playing football before being snapped up by Palace, just as McAnuff would have been before being snapped up by Wimbledon.

Playing football in the park / for a non FA or FAW sanctioned club presumably wouldn't count.

It's basically saying if your spotted and affiliated a day after your 18th birthday your not going to be homegrown when you pass age 21.

[Wycombe Royal]

[Question 2 - What if an Ian Wright type of situation occurs whereby a 25 year old is discovered who can play football but has never been affiliated with any club home or abroad? Same applies to players who are at existing clubs but were unaffiliated before age 21?

It is unlikely that someone entering the professional game has not been playing football at a lower level. As long as they have been registered with a club, regardless of how far down the pyramid it is, then I assume that qualifies.

Ian Wright was playing football before being snapped up by Palace, just as McAnuff would have been before being snapped up by Wimbledon.

Playing football in the park / for a non FA or FAW sanctioned club presumably wouldn't count.

Even Sunday League football is registered with the local County FA so I would assume that still counts as being registered.

I can't see any lad having a kickaround with his mates at an age over 18 being picked up by a club and then playing league football, but you never know I suppose.

Ian Wright was playing Sunday League football when spotted.

As for McAnuff he worked his way through the youth ranks at Wimbledon so I guess he's OK anyway.

[SCIAG]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8255784.stm

To qualify as home grown, a player will have had to be registered for at least three seasons at an English or Welsh club between the ages of 16 and 21.

So, We can only have 25 players over 21 of which 10 must be classed as domestic, However we can field as many under 21 as we like next season with no home grown restriction.

Question 1 - What if we name 25 players under 21, Would we be forced to sign 10 has beens to tick a box?

Question 2 - What if an Ian Wright type of situation occurs whereby a 25 year old is discovered who can play football but has never been affiliated with any club home or abroad? Same applies to players who are at existing clubs but were unaffiliated before age 21?

Question 3 - Could a U21 not spend 3 years liked to a club but not live in that country e.g. Sonny Pike who was on the books of Ajax but lived with his parents in the UK? Could we see Man Utd signing players up all over the world and training them locally - They could become home grown without even having a valid work permit or EU passport.

1) No, you can register under 21s if you want to, though generally it is counter productive as they don't need to be registered and would therefore take up a spot.
2) Unlikely.
3) No, they legally (under FIFA regulations) can't sign a player under 18 from outside the EU.

This rule has been introduced, not to benefit the England team, but largely to stop UEFA imposing harsher rules.

Players aged 21 in September (or possibly August) count as 21 for the whole season, so if a player is 18 when we sign him, he'll count as home grown.

A side from any UK team is fine, not Irish though (so "Home Nations" is misleading).

If the club cannot find enough home grown players, then they will simply not be able to use those spots. If they're one short, they'll only be able to register 24 players.

[andrew1957]

Does anyone know how this affects emergency loans and the like.

Do you have to stick with the 25 players plus under 21 squad irrespective of how many long term injuries you have. In an extreme example say 15 players were out until January would you be able to bring in emergency loans, or would you have to just play under 21's to fill the gaps?

I assume you could do something in the Jan transfer window - at the end of which I assume you can put in a new list of 25, but what about the periods between windows.

Have looked on the web but cannot find any detail about how this will work.

[Forbury Lion]

Players aged 21 in September (or possibly August) count as 21 for the whole season, so if a player is 18 when we sign him, he'll count as home grown.

Okay, what if he's 19?

]A side from any UK team is fine, not Irish though (so "Home Nations" is misleading).

Northern Irish? Channel Islands? Falkland Islands?... what about them?

Didn't the ruling state that they have to be English or Welsh affiliated, i.e. not Scotland or N Ireland clubs? - I think Wales scrapes in due to Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham being in the English league.

Tough choices for youngsters on the English/Scottish borders.

[wolsey]

All change?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8733164.stm

Fifa scraps plans for 'home-grown' player rule

Fifa boss Sepp Blatter has dropped the '6+5' plan
Fifa has said it will scrap plans for a minimum of six "home-grown" players in clubs' starting line-ups.

The so-called "6+5" rule had been expected to be brought in by 2012 but has now been abandoned.

Football's world governing body, at its congress in South Africa ahead of the World Cup kick-off, said it will now look at "other eligibility" options.

BBC Sport understands the European Commission said such a proposal would contravene EU labour laws.

From next season, the Premier League will bring in a system where there must be eight home-grown players in squad of 25.