FAO Daytrippers

[Norfolk Royal]

Perhaps the club and Wembley are at fault for not having a designated family area, one block or two, depending on demand, where bad language is cracked down on and a family friendly atmosphere away from the away fans is promoted along with enforced seating at all times.

They can station a hotdog seller or two, plus mascots nearby for further family fun.

Meanwhile, the rest of us can get on with enjoying football. Those with kids who want to sit with the rest of us should either leave them at home or put up with it.

Were you actually there? If there was to be segregation it would have needed to be a couple of blocks for those who find abusive and aggressive behaviour essential so that the vast majority of families and other 'normal' people could enjoy their day out. The whole of the West End was, essentially, the family area that had been infiltrated by the minority who don't think families should be there at all. Get the message, it is the families who were in the majority yesterday - and a good thing too as most of those kids will want to come again and will become loyal fans over time.

I have no facts to back this up, but from my observations there's is no way families were in the majority. I would say at least 70% of the fans I observed, were groups of adults with kids.

Families you mean?

[tee peg]

Add to that all the twats that left before the final whistle.

Fukc off. I'll leave when I want.

Well said mate, I've been a loyall fan for over 30 years. I will leave when I want, simples.

+1. I also left early when we played Lyon in Korea

[Uke]

Perhaps the club and Wembley are at fault for not having a designated family area, one block or two, depending on demand, where bad language is cracked down on and a family friendly atmosphere away from the away fans is promoted along with enforced seating at all times.

They can station a hotdog seller or two, plus mascots nearby for further family fun.

Meanwhile, the rest of us can get on with enjoying football. Those with kids who want to sit with the rest of us should either leave them at home or put up with it.

Were you actually there? If there was to be segregation it would have needed to be a couple of blocks for those who find abusive and aggressive behaviour essential so that the vast majority of families and other 'normal' people could enjoy their day out. The whole of the West End was, essentially, the family area that had been infiltrated by the minority who don't think families should be there at all. Get the message, it is the families who were in the majority yesterday - and a good thing too as most of those kids will want to come again and will become loyal fans over time.

+1

It all boils down to respecting every other fan as a human being and its bollocks about behaviour being acceptable in a footie ground when it wouldn't be acceptable outside.

Abuse is abuse and is not the same as "banter"

The people with a "problem" about kids and the rest wouldn't even fill a stand, and if they are given a stand then they might as well have som nosebleed seats up in the Gods so they can winge about that too.

[Seal]

Were you actually there? If there was to be segregation it would have needed to be a couple of blocks for those who find abusive and aggressive behaviour essential so that the vast majority of families and other 'normal' people could enjoy their day out. The whole of the West End was, essentially, the family area that had been infiltrated by the minority who don't think families should be there at all. Get the message, it is the families who were in the majority yesterday - and a good thing too as most of those kids will want to come again and will become loyal fans over time.

I have no facts to back this up, but from my observations there's is no way families were in the majority. I would say at least 70% of the fans I observed, were groups of adults with kids.

Families you mean?

Meant WITHOUT!

Really bad timing for a typo....

[cmonurz]

Just to back up RR's point, it's not the swearing, or excessive standing, that is an issue, but the vile, rage-filled manner that accompanies it.

I've never heard my Dad swear as much as he did on Sunday. For a United supporting rugby fan who has only become interested in Reading these last few years because of me, to see him stand up on his own on our row to shout 'what the fcuk was that Shane you fcuking pillock!' as Long trotted back to halfway after his air-shot from 6 yards, was something to behold.

But that's different to screwed up faces, veins popping, phrases like 'fcuking Welsh cnuts can suck my cock' (wth does that even mean?!), kicking and pushing a guy out of the Allsop as he ordered a drink after his Welsh accent was heard. Seriously, what is that all about? That's not banter, or passion, its a planned or underlying approach to the game, and it's hate-filled, and I don't understand where it comes from.

To the fans who asked others to sit down when then were exciting events on the pitch - get used to football, it's an exciting, passionate sport andif people are up and down out of their seats, well that means it's a great game, and the atmosphere in the crowd reflects it.

To the fans who insist on standing through the entire game irrespective of the action on the pitch - have some respect for those behind you who don't wish to stand for 90 minutes. It's an all-seater stadium, use your seat until the action, or singing or whatever brings you from it.

This thread is laughable. Criticising those who want to stand and sing, criticising those who don't, criticising those who hardly go to games, and those who enjoyed 'the day out'. How difficult is it to just behave respectfully towards others?

[TFF]

Maybe next time the club should use the East Stand ticket windows to create an "East Stand" at Wembley and ask the ticket agents/website to identify what part of the Mad people would normally choose to sit in. It wouldn't solve all the problems but at least folk would have an expectation of the type of fans they would be sitting (standing) with.

I've got no problem with passion and swearing at football, I enjoyed my days in the Southbank, but now, as a parent I appreciate being able to bring my kids to the West Stand where they will hear swearing but not with the same level of vitriol generated over in the east. I'm sure my boys will grow up to follow RFC and will in turn do their stint in Y26 while I sit in the Upper West with a blanket on my knees.

We did have an issue with two fellas sitting just behind us in 238. I really don't know what they were thinking - Club Wembley seats, £80 notes a pop, surrounded by families. But these were real fans, real passion.

"Dowd, take your oxf*rd cock out of their arses"

"Sheep, sheep, sheep shaggers"

"Dowd, take your oxf*rd cock out of their arses"

"oxf*rd useless"

"Dowd, take your oxf*rd cock out of their arses"

"What a waste of oxf*rd £75"

"This is shit, I want to go home"

"I've texted my mate, we're going to fcuk up some Swansea after"

I was as much depressed by their inability to think of anything original or amusing to say as I was uncomfortable that my children had to listen to this degenerate.

No-one grassed them up to the stewards but one dad asked them to moderate their language as there were kids all around them. "It's a oxf*rd football match, what do you oxf*rd expect?"

There were 40,000 of our fans at Wembley. I guess the OP would be happier with 8,000 Royals dotted about. Room to stand without obstructing anyone's view and no-one upset by a few cuss words.

zzzzzzzzz, maybe you should watch opera next time, or just wrap your kids in cotton wool

Christ, what a depressing response to a balanced and non-confrontational post.

Indeed

[TBM]

My old man was with us yesterday - block 132 and he actually said before the game started "standing at football - thats what its all about, i hope they dont make us sit down"....stood the whole 90minutes!

Plus he kept up, round for round, in the drinking stakes, which started at 9am

[SLAMMED]

Plus he kept up, round for round, in the drinking stakes, which started at 9am

He drinks his steaks? Didn't realise he was that old.

[Row Z Royal]

Reading fans are a weird bunch.

Yet you fit in so seamlessly. Go figure!





*obvious

[TBM]

Post it up then Zammo (or PM me)

Will post it up later.

[cough]

[RoyalBlue]

Noteworthy, of course, that player was also ejected (apparently) for the same crime. Seems that the authorities are not on your side at all.

I believe the player was ejected for a different crime i.e. swearing directly at a pompous pratt of an official keen to be the centre of attention.

Listen to any game when the crowd are quiet and you will see that the authorities and officials do bugger all to crack down on players and management swearing in frustration. A point I made once to a the deputy chief steward at the Mad Stad when my son was warned for swearing in frustration i.e. 'for f*cks sake!'. At the time Wally Downes was with us and I questioned whether he sat there all game like a saint!

Only when the language is directed at them do the officials do anything about it. So football continues with its hypocritical approach as normal!

And those who moan about spontaneous, rather than unremitting, swearing at football whilst letting their kids watch TV after 9 or watch anything other than kids films on DVD are equally hypocritical!

[Negative_Jeff]

Perhaps the club and Wembley are at fault for not having a designated family area, one block or two, depending on demand, where bad language is cracked down on and a family friendly atmosphere away from the away fans is promoted along with enforced seating at all times.

They can station a hotdog seller or two, plus mascots nearby for further family fun.

Meanwhile, the rest of us can get on with enjoying football. Those with kids who want to sit with the rest of us should either leave them at home or put up with it.

Were you actually there? If there was to be segregation it would have needed to be a couple of blocks for those who find abusive and aggressive behaviour essential so that the vast majority of families and other 'normal' people could enjoy their day out. The whole of the West End was, essentially, the family area that had been infiltrated by the minority who don't think families should be there at all. Get the message, it is the families who were in the majority yesterday - and a good thing too as most of those kids will want to come again and will become loyal fans over time.

One of the reasons I didn`t turn up yesterday was the thought of being in the vicinity of some miserable barsteward like you.

[West Stand Man]

One of the reasons I didn`t turn up yesterday was the thought of being in the vicinity of some miserable barsteward like you.

For which the rest of us may be eternally grateful. Thank you for your thoughtfulness.

[Royal Rother]

[royalsteve]

Just to back up RR's point, it's not the swearing, or excessive standing, that is an issue, but the vile, rage-filled manner that accompanies it.

I've never heard my Dad swear as much as he did on Sunday. For a United supporting rugby fan who has only become interested in Reading these last few years because of me, to see him stand up on his own on our row to shout 'what the fcuk was that Shane you fcuking pillock!' as Long trotted back to halfway after his air-shot from 6 yards, was something to behold.

But that's different to screwed up faces, veins popping, phrases like 'fcuking Welsh cnuts can suck my cock' (wth does that even mean?!), kicking and pushing a guy out of the Allsop as he ordered a drink after his Welsh accent was heard. Seriously, what is that all about? That's not banter, or passion, its a planned or underlying approach to the game, and it's hate-filled, and I don't understand where it comes from.

To the fans who asked others to sit down when then were exciting events on the pitch - get used to football, it's an exciting, passionate sport andif people are up and down out of their seats, well that means it's a great game, and the atmosphere in the crowd reflects it.

To the fans who insist on standing through the entire game irrespective of the action on the pitch - have some respect for those behind you who don't wish to stand for 90 minutes. It's an all-seater stadium, use your seat until the action, or singing or whatever brings you from it.

This thread is laughable. Criticising those who want to stand and sing, criticising those who don't, criticising those who hardly go to games, and those who enjoyed 'the day out'. How difficult is it to just behave respectfully towards others?

if you are of voting age, i bet you vote lib dem and they like sitting on the fence too

[comeonthebiscuitmen]

At least you can take kids to games in this country. Serie A is basically hooligans only now - not family friendly at all.
Most familys in italy go and watch volleyball! People should just be considerate. I must say I did try hard not to call the ref a C*^* but I would do the same at a game at the madjeski because even though you get blokes saying all sorts in from of their kids I don't think its generally that big or clever. In the heat of the moment I obviously go as mental as the next guy.

Hilarious moment though when the BBC were interviewing after the game. Im about to be interviewed and the woman before me, prob about 45 or so has the mic: Interviewer: "What did you think of the game?" Mrs Smith from Reading: "McCannuf was shit" Interviewer: "Anything in clean English?"

I of course gave good quote and am the bloke with the ridiculous beard on bbc news tonight praising McDermott and the boys and speaking philosophically about our hat-trick of play-off defeats.

Brian is our leader - Steve Coppell MKII. Onward and upward.

[Ian Royal]

Just to back up RR's point, it's not the swearing, or excessive standing, that is an issue, but the vile, rage-filled manner that accompanies it.

I've never heard my Dad swear as much as he did on Sunday. For a United supporting rugby fan who has only become interested in Reading these last few years because of me, to see him stand up on his own on our row to shout 'what the fcuk was that Shane you fcuking pillock!' as Long trotted back to halfway after his air-shot from 6 yards, was something to behold.

But that's different to screwed up faces, veins popping, phrases like 'fcuking Welsh cnuts can suck my cock' (wth does that even mean?!), kicking and pushing a guy out of the Allsop as he ordered a drink after his Welsh accent was heard. Seriously, what is that all about? That's not banter, or passion, its a planned or underlying approach to the game, and it's hate-filled, and I don't understand where it comes from.

To the fans who asked others to sit down when then were exciting events on the pitch - get used to football, it's an exciting, passionate sport andif people are up and down out of their seats, well that means it's a great game, and the atmosphere in the crowd reflects it.

To the fans who insist on standing through the entire game irrespective of the action on the pitch - have some respect for those behind you who don't wish to stand for 90 minutes. It's an all-seater stadium, use your seat until the action, or singing or whatever brings you from it.

This thread is laughable. Criticising those who want to stand and sing, criticising those who don't, criticising those who hardly go to games, and those who enjoyed 'the day out'. How difficult is it to just behave respectfully towards others?

if you are of voting age, i bet you vote lib dem and they like sitting on the fence too

Ha, shows what you know, he's a dirty facist Tory.

People who complain about celebrations, singing and swearing at football should oxf*rd off.

People who think that they are fine to persistently block people's view at any time, persistently shout random abuse and complain endlessly about "daytrippers" can also oxf*rd off.

Swearing, and standing have their time and place at football. It shouldn't be sanitised like it's a West End show or a blue rinse brigade drawing room comedy. But it shouldn't be for thuggery or constant verbal abuse either.

[RoyalBlue]

To the fans who insist on standing through the entire game irrespective of the action on the pitch - have some respect for those behind you who don't wish to stand for 90 minutes. It's an all-seater stadium, use your seat until the action, or singing or whatever brings you from it.

One snag with that! There are some of us (a minority, I know and particularly so during the latter part of the first half yesterday!) who do try to sing and chant throughout the 90 minutes!! To do that effectively you have to stand (that's why you don't see choirs sitting!).

And yes, we do feel a bit guilty if we genuinely are blocking kids' views (had that been pointed out we would have tried not to or perhaps could have done a seat swap!). That having been said, my own kids developed their very real passion for football either on my shoulders or standing on seats so that they could still see and enjoyed every moment of it. I have far less sympathy though for the adult whingers who objected even to standing at exciting moments! As I said before, anyone who travels to support their team will realise that people do tend to stand more when they are in that group behind the goal. Yes, those people in our block probably were season ticket holders but perhaps they're not used to being at 'away' games and have been conditioned to the 'stand at your peril' environment of the Mad Stad.

I wonder how many Swansea fans were moaning about people standing when they were 3-0 up! Strange too how the moaning in our end stopped when we got two goals back! Then suddenly eveyone seemed happy to stand almost continuously. A connection between how the team are doing and how strongly people feel about standing?

As for the argument that the money from the jester hats helps the club more than those in old shirts who stand and sing - a team without decent vocal support is usually a pretty poor team!

As someone else has pointed out already, football now has a diverse audience and in order to satisfy that diversity it would appear essential that standing/singing areas are reintroduced.

[ZacNaloen]

I wonder how many Swansea fans were moaning about people standing when they were 3-0 up! Strange too how the moaning in our end stopped when we got two goals back! Then suddenly eveyone seemed happy to stand almost continuously. A connection between how the team are doing and how strongly people feel about standing?

More likely the non-stop action on the pitch during this time. It's not pratical to sit down when you have to stand up again 10 seconds later in order to see anything.

[RoyalBlue]

I wonder how many Swansea fans were moaning about people standing when they were 3-0 up! Strange too how the moaning in our end stopped when we got two goals back! Then suddenly eveyone seemed happy to stand almost continuously. A connection between how the team are doing and how strongly people feel about standing?

More likely the non-stop action on the pitch during this time. It's not pratical to sit down when you have to stand up again 10 seconds later in order to see anything.

Possibly but they were also stood for ten minutes at the end when it wasn't non-stop action!