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by floyd__streete » 21 Sep 2007 13:53

Katie Marsden As Finch said, Reading is a dead end club. Last season was as good as it will get. A few seasons of treading water and then slowly sinking back to the lower leagues awaits. At the very best all we'll amount to is a mid table Premiership side who hopes to win the LOLeague Cup, although even that is unlikely as our manager doesn't give a sh1t about either cup competitions.


Careful KM, if Woodcote Royal reads this he'll blow a gasket :roll: . I got told off on another thread a while back for lacking ambition with regards to RFC as I said that Nicky Hammond was getting ideas above his station when he said that the fans and the club in general should develop a big club attitude. 38,000 seats = laughable.

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by Yorkshire Royal » 21 Sep 2007 13:56

I know Ginger Day came from here.. But please not 13 Reading Fans Everywhere..

I may never post here again.. and I was getting so close to 3000 posts as well...

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by Katie Marsden » 21 Sep 2007 13:57

If the club developed a big club attitude and actually spent some money on quality players and Coppell actually had some ambitions that didn't involve simply avoiding relegation then a 38,000 ground may well come in handly.

As it is RFC continue to play the little club and do everything on a budget. That's all fine and good, but don't expect the fans to come along to watch second rate signings get over run every week as we plummet down the table.

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by zac naloen » 21 Sep 2007 13:57

Yorkshire Royal I know Ginger Day came from here.. But please not 13 Reading Fans Everywhere..

I may never post here again.. and I was getting so close to 3000 posts as well...


Everything i've heard about suggests it originated from a fan poll..

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by Yorkshire Royal » 21 Sep 2007 14:06

I'm off to support Leeds.....

From now on, I would like to be referred to as

Yorkshire White Rose Wannabe

Thanks


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by Behindu » 21 Sep 2007 14:17

zac naloen
Yorkshire Royal I know Ginger Day came from here.. But please not 13 Reading Fans Everywhere..

I may never post here again.. and I was getting so close to 3000 posts as well...


Everything i've heard about suggests it originated from a fan poll..


13 didn;t come from a poll, it came from one fan who spotted that we didn;t have anyone wearing the 13 shirt and mentioned the idea on HNA, then contacted the club who adopted the idea.

Like it or not you have to give full marks to someone who rather than just spouting on a website got off his butt and did something with an idea. A fairly unique nobber...

and no - it wasn't me !!!

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by Alan Partridge » 21 Sep 2007 14:25

Katie Marsden If the club developed a big club attitude and actually spent some money on quality players and Coppell actually had some ambitions that didn't involve simply avoiding relegation then a 38,000 ground may well come in handly.

As it is RFC continue to play the little club and do everything on a budget. That's all fine and good, but don't expect the fans to come along to watch second rate signings get over run every week as we plummet down the table.


Well that's a bit at the top end of the pessimist scale, i do agree with the main points.

If RFC had spent more you could guarantee more of a 'buzz' with the fans, more people would want to watch.

I am a bit sick and tired of the mixed messages that we get from the club.

We can't win the cup/ we want to win the game

We don't want/ we want Europe

'Nicky Hammond saying we need a big club attitude, need 38,000 etc, then the manager saying we are the smallest fish, smallest budget, can't sign who we want, have to try and stay in the league.

The cups irritate me immensely. In the last few years, Wigan, Millwall, Southampton, Birmingham, West Ham have all got to major cup finals and Wycoombe and Watford have got to semi finals. So this 'we can't do this and that' in the cups is absolute NONSENSE. If Reading played their best team last season, who knows what would have happened in the United replay? Whose to say we couldn't have got to the final? We'll never know now. One thing is for sure, if we continue sending out a reserve team we WILL get knocked out.

The best RFC can realistically ever hope for in the PL is European football. That is the pinnacle at what we could realistically achieve, yet we TURNED IT DOWN. Not by not winning at Blackburn, but by turning down the Intertoto Cup, in preference of going to a mickey mouse competition in Korea to earn a few £'s. As a fan that is VERY disappointing to see.

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by Yorkshire Royal » 21 Sep 2007 14:27

Can someone please own up and tell me which idiot member came up with the 13 Reading Fans Everywhere bit...

I am really upset about this...

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by londinium » 21 Sep 2007 14:32

Katie Marsden If the club developed a big club attitude and actually spent some money on quality players and Coppell actually had some ambitions that didn't involve simply avoiding relegation then a 38,000 ground may well come in handly.

As it is RFC continue to play the little club and do everything on a budget. That's all fine and good, but don't expect the fans to come along to watch second rate signings get over run every week as we plummet down the table.


Which was the last club in England to become a 'big club' and when did they do it?


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by Vision » 21 Sep 2007 14:35

Yorkshire Royal Can someone please own up and tell me which idiot member came up with the 13 Reading Fans Everywhere bit...

I am really upset about this...


It was Silver Fox. He's also lobbied the tannoy boys to play Chelsea Dagger after goals as well.

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by Yorkshire Royal » 21 Sep 2007 14:35

I think you'll find they are the PA Boys.. Tannoy is a brand name...

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by Behindu » 21 Sep 2007 14:36

Alan Partridge
The cups irritate me immensely. In the last few years, Wigan, Millwall, Southampton, Birmingham, West Ham have all got to major cup finals and Wycoombe and Watford have got to semi finals.


I agree in many ways - would love to see us in a major cup final.

On the other hand how many of these teams absolutley ruined their league season by having a good cup run ? I have a rubbish memory for this sort of thing but would I be right in saying Millwall, West Ham and Wycombe at the very least did...

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by Vision » 21 Sep 2007 14:37

Yorkshire Royal I think you'll find they are the PA Boys.. Tannoy is a brand name...


Tannoy is actually short for "to annoy" and as such is entirely appropriate.


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by londinium » 21 Sep 2007 14:38

Yorkshire Royal I think you'll find they are the PA Boys.. Tannoy is a brand name...


Can i use my vacuum cleaner to hoover up my lounge??
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by Yorkshire Royal » 21 Sep 2007 14:41

Was it really Silver Fox..? and to think I thought he was a decent human being...

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by Behindu » 21 Sep 2007 14:42

Yorkshire Royal I think you'll find they are the PA Boys.. Tannoy is a brand name...


How do you know we didn't purchase our system from Tannoy ?

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by AF1 » 21 Sep 2007 14:47

Behindu
Yorkshire Royal I think you'll find they are the PA Boys.. Tannoy is a brand name...


How do you know we didn't purchase our system from Tannoy ?



Make a thread in Club Policies, someones bound to know for sure.

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by papereyes » 21 Sep 2007 14:51

Royalwaster One thing on the fan debate not mentioned so far is our drummer - he is often highlighted as the worst bit of support. I did notice that in the recent England games there was a drummer in the crowd - does that make England fans plastics as well?


Yes.

I'm just intrigued by the banning of bears in the ground.

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by Behindu » 21 Sep 2007 14:54

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Yorkshire Royal I think you'll find they are the PA Boys.. Tannoy is a brand name...


How do you know we didn't purchase our system from Tannoy ?



Make a thread in Club Policies, someones bound to know for sure.


It is a very interesting point though

(Isn't it ?)

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by papereyes » 21 Sep 2007 15:04

Katie Marsden If the club developed a big club attitude and actually spent some money on quality players and Coppell actually had some ambitions that didn't involve simply avoiding relegation then a 38,000 ground may well come in handly.

As it is RFC continue to play the little club and do everything on a budget. That's all fine and good, but don't expect the fans to come along to watch second rate signings get over run every week as we plummet down the table.


Caught between two posts here, I must admit.

I think I agree, but have to add the caveats.

1) By quality, you mean "big name" and I don't think we should do that. We should buy the right players for the job at the right price. If they're unknowns then so be it. Still, the failure to add the odd body here and there, the odd Championship player capable of stepping up a level is a touch mysterious.

2) I don't think its that easy to just go out and buy such players. The club have said throughout the summer that they were struggling to attract players to the club. Wages, I guess, are one factor. But that mystical thing called history MUST have played a role.

3) A 30-38,000 seater stadium would make it easier to consolidate once its built. Sadly we appear to have taken the middle ground and neither strengthened nor expanded.

As I said somewhere else on the board.

We have potential to be a much bigger club than we are. This does not mean that we are a bigger club than we are now.

4) One season in, the ambition still has to be "survive". Its not like, suddenly, we can assume that 8th is our lowest limit. We had a fantastic season last time round and there was always going to be a hangover. I also think the club found the summer a lot harder going than they'd expected. It is not like the club have been in the Prem for 10 years and just hanging on year on year. Given also that the club in the little over two years have gone from a record fee of £850 k (Convey(?)) to whatever value over £3 million Cisse was suggested to be (via Lita and Halford) that they are prepared to spend some money. Whether it is enough is another issue.

5) "Which was the last club in England to become a 'big club' and when did they do it?"

Indeed.

I also reckon that teams drop down from being a big club far quicker than they ever could climb to that status.

The cups thing doesn't annoy me that much. We get a semi-final and go out? Beh. We get relegated = a season out of the sun. Our 'reserve' teams were often stronger than people gave them credit for, as well. Europe annoyed me more as a trip to Greece, Macedonia, Lithuania, Cyprus or even the Ukraine would have been a lifetime's trip in terms of supporting Reading.

I guess I can go up and pay on the day for the Liverpool game, though, can't I?
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