REFWATCH: Reading v Scunthorpe United

[glass half full]

Ginger linesman, (east side) is a local lad, from Berrinsfield,

Still, Berinsfield is nearer to Oxf*rd.

[Ian Royal]

Actually if you look at it again Forte gets to the byline and comes back into the play and passes it FORWARDS it then takes a DEFLECTION and the player scores from an offside position. You are right that the guy was onside when the pass was played however.

HTH

Wrong, he quite clearly plays it backwards towards the D on the edge of the box, as shown by this screenie. Definitely right about onside when the ball was played though as you can also see.

[26-10-06]

Ginger linesman, (east side) is a local lad, from Berrinsfield,

Still, Berinsfield is nearer to Oxf*rd.

yeah, and its a total shit hole!

[Man Friday]

Actually if you look at it again Forte gets to the byline and comes back into the play and passes it FORWARDS it then takes a DEFLECTION and the player scores from an offside position. You are right that the guy was onside when the pass was played however.

HTH

Wrong, he quite clearly plays it backwards towards the D on the edge of the box, as shown by this screenie. Definitely right about onside when the ball was played though as you can also see.

...and when it came off Griffin.

[Ian Royal]

Utterly irrelevant seeing as he can only be offside when the ball is played forward by a team mate.

[handbags_harris]

Now, I'm a tad confused by all this "the ball has to be played forward's" malarky. Can someone show me in the FIFA Laws of the Game Law 11 entitled "Offside" where it states that the ball has to be played forwards for a player to be offside? The law assumes that the ball will be touched or played forward to a teammate who is in an offside position, but quite clearly Forte's pass was deflected into the path of their goalscorer after being played backwards. If the guy had actually been in an offside position when receiving the deflected pass, I'd have been interested to know what the referee would have given...

[Row Z Royal]

Utterly irrelevant seeing as he can only be offside when the ball is played forward by a team mate.

You were doing so well.

I've not seen the replay, but the still above appears to show him onside when the ball was played, but there's no way that the ref could see who was in line when the ball's played - look at his position.

So he's over ruled the lino for the wrong reason, but the right result has come out of it.

Oh well, phantom goal at Watford anyone?

[Man Friday]

Utterly irrelevant seeing as he can only be offside when the ball is played forward by a team mate.

Nowhere does it state this. It's just legend. The bottom line is that he was onside when the ball came off Griffin.

[Row Z Royal]

Utterly irrelevant seeing as he can only be offside when the ball is played forward by a team mate.

Nowhere does it state this. It's just legend. The bottom line is that he was onside when the ball came off Griffin.

The deflection has nothing to do with it - it's all about when the ball was played by a team mate.

[ZacNaloen]

Utterly irrelevant seeing as he can only be offside when the ball is played forward by a team mate.

Nowhere does it state this. It's just legend. The bottom line is that he was onside when the ball came off Griffin.

The deflection has nothing to do with it - it's all about when the ball was played by a team mate.

and he was still onside presumably?


oxf*rd knows what the lino was looking at then, I was so confused at the game. Never seen a lino overruled on an offside decision before, how could the ref have seen it

[Row Z Royal]

Nowhere does it state this. It's just legend. The bottom line is that he was onside when the ball came off Griffin.

The deflection has nothing to do with it - it's all about when the ball was played by a team mate.

and he was still onside presumably?


oxf*rd knows what the lino was looking at then, I was so confused at the game. Never seen a lino overruled on an offside decision before, how could the ref have seen it

Yep - see my post above.

As for the lino, he gave what he saw. No criticism of him at all. The ball rockets forward off the 'ding player nearer the edge of the box (Griffin?) and the bloke who scored looked offside as he couldn't see the ball-player.

It was clear as day to everyone that it was offside.

[Tad Showbiz]

Ian Royal is correct in this instance. The player with the ball is directing it towards the unmarked Scunny player who is stood between the edge of the 18 yard box and the penalty spot.

The eventual goalscorer is not offside at the time the ball is played by his team mate so cannot be offside unless one of his team mate plays it forward to him while he is in an offside postion. The referee can see the direction the ball is being played in as he is looking directly at the player playing the ball. The referre would also know how the ball got to the eventual goalscorer.

His assistant presumbly flagged because he saw the striker was in advanced position of the two defenders when he scored. The assistant probably didn't see the deflection of Griffin or the direction in which the player passing the ball passed it.

The referee would have questioned his assistant what he was flagging for then given reasons for over ruling him. These would also be presented in their match report to the FA.

It was probably the only decision he got right all game.

[Man Friday]

and he was still onside presumably?

Yes...but according to Row Z that's irrelevant as it only relates to when his teammate passed it.

[Man Friday]

Ian Royal is correct in this instance. The player with the ball is directing it towards the unmarked Scunny player who is stood between the edge of the 18 yard box and the penalty spot.

The eventual goalscorer is not offside at the time the ball is played by his team mate so cannot be offside unless one of his team mate plays it forward to him while he is in an offside postion. The referee can see the direction the ball is being played in as he is looking directly at the player playing the ball. The referre would also know how the ball got to the eventual goalscorer.

His assistant presumbly flagged because he saw the striker was in advanced position of the two defenders when he scored. The assistant probably didn't see the deflection of Griffin or the direction in which the player passing the ball passed it.

The referee would have questioned his assistant what he was flagging for then given reasons for over ruling him. These would also be presented in their match report to the FA.

It was probably the only decision he got right all game.

Being passed backwards has nothing to do with it. See other thread on this subject.

[Tad Showbiz]

Ian Royal is correct in this instance. The player with the ball is directing it towards the unmarked Scunny player who is stood between the edge of the 18 yard box and the penalty spot.

The eventual goalscorer is not offside at the time the ball is played by his team mate so cannot be offside unless one of his team mate plays it forward to him while he is in an offside postion. The referee can see the direction the ball is being played in as he is looking directly at the player playing the ball. The referre would also know how the ball got to the eventual goalscorer.

His assistant presumbly flagged because he saw the striker was in advanced position of the two defenders when he scored. The assistant probably didn't see the deflection of Griffin or the direction in which the player passing the ball passed it.

The referee would have questioned his assistant what he was flagging for then given reasons for over ruling him. These would also be presented in their match report to the FA.

It was probably the only decision he got right all game.

Being passed backwards has nothing to do with it. See other thread on this subject.

Depends on the thread but you're right I have the ball being played backwards bit incorrect.

The current offside ruling is that a player is in an offside position if he is nearer to the oppositions goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent. The [attacking] player is not offside if he is in his own half, level with his second last opponent or his is level with his last two opponents.

A player in a offside position is only given offside if at the time the ball touches or is played by a team mate he is involved in the opinion of the referee in active play by either interfering with play, interfering with an opponent ( ) or gaining an advantage by being in that position.

The ref got the decision spot on, the striker is not doing any of the above when his team mate plays the ball.

[Mr Angry]

If a player has no defender (not including the goalkeeper) between himself and the goal when the ball is played to him, then he is offside. True?

The ball has to be played forward for this to be the case, otherwise when you have a 2 man break and the ball is passed back to the 2nd player, the lino would ALWAYS flag offside.

[Ian Royal]

If a player has no defender (not including the goalkeeper) between himself and the goal when the ball is played to him, then he is offside. True?

The ball has to be played forward for this to be the case, otherwise when you have a 2 man break and the ball is passed back to the 2nd player, the lino would ALWAYS flag offside.

I think Handbags clarified elsewhere that to be offside the player has to be ahead of the ball. So you could still be offside if the ball was played away from goal, providing you were ahead of it when it was played and it then went forward to you somehow.

So normally that would mean that you can't be offside if the ball is played backwards, because you'd have to be behind it for it to be played backwards to you.

[Sarah Star]

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