Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by No Hoops » 07 Jan 2009 09:06

Silver Fox Without wanting to stoke the fires too much, how would we now feel if we were Burnley? Obviously trying to win cup games (unlike us :wink: ) but this has led to a pretty poor run of form leading up to last night as they no doubt had their eye on the big game. They then get battered (eventually) which could knock confidence quite badly, they lose an important midfielder and they still have to play Spurs again, in what most would think was a dead rubber. Add to this their forthcoming FA cup replay and we look a whole lot better placed to continue our push in the league thanks to Coppel's strategy.

I'd love to see us win one of the big trophys at Wemberley (and all the recent examples of little clubs taking the cups seriously haven't actually led to them winning, just having a nice but fruitless day out) but until that looks likely I'm all for backing Steve's system


When was the last time a non top tier club won either cup?

Point proved I think

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by Thaumagurist* » 07 Jan 2009 10:28

Victor Meldrew Spacey,
It's not a really big deal to get to the 5th round when you start at the 3rd is it?


Yes, it is, when you consider that we haven't played many 5th round ties in our history. It is still two rounds away from the semi final.

Before 2007, I don't think we had been in the fifth round since 1998.

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by rabidbee » 07 Jan 2009 13:13

Vision I don't recall Coppell saying players needed to be rested although no doubt there are a few that have played with knocks in recent weeks so he may have considered resting them as a good idea anyway.


The arguments are being conflated - he has regularly made it clear he will "use the whole squad" when we have two or three games in a week - like at Saints. He has never said he is speifically resting players when he plays a weakened team in the cup, although I suspect it is one of several motives.

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by Stranded » 07 Jan 2009 13:34

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Victor Meldrew Spacey,
It's not a really big deal to get to the 5th round when you start at the 3rd is it?


Yes, it is, when you consider that we haven't played many 5th round ties in our history. It is still two rounds away from the semi final.

Before 2007, I don't think we had been in the fifth round since 1998.


It's still not a big deal though - If you reach the 5th round and get knocked out you end up with exactly the same as if you get knocked out in the 3rd - nothing (bar a few extra quid).

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by rabidbee » 07 Jan 2009 13:41

And that's the real nub, isn't it? VM asks how the game has changed - back in the day, you didn't earn £30m+ for finishing bottom of the 1st Division, so a a good cup run was good for business in a whole host of ways. The FA Cup winners win £2m (plus winnings for previous rounds). Add to that some broadcasting money.

http://www.thefa.com/TheFACup/TheFACup/ ... zeFund.htm

It's good, but not as great an incentive as getting into the Premier League. Besides, non team outside the top-flight has won the cup in 28 years, and there's a good reason for that. If you really want to win the cup, get promotoed, spend a few years improving your squad and then make a real go at it.


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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by Woodcote Royal » 07 Jan 2009 13:49

Spot on.

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by Victor Meldrew » 08 Jan 2009 21:23

rabidbee And that's the real nub, isn't it? VM asks how the game has changed - back in the day, you didn't earn £30m+ for finishing bottom of the 1st Division, so a a good cup run was good for business in a whole host of ways. The FA Cup winners win £2m (plus winnings for previous rounds). Add to that some broadcasting money.

http://www.thefa.com/TheFACup/TheFACup/ ... zeFund.htm

It's good, but not as great an incentive as getting into the Premier League. Besides, non team outside the top-flight has won the cup in 28 years, and there's a good reason for that. If you really want to win the cup, get promotoed, spend a few years improving your squad and then make a real go at it.


Good,so with the massive incentive of getting to the Premier League can we now expect an influx of players to ensure that our current position is maintained?

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by Victor Meldrew » 08 Jan 2009 21:34

Vision
Stranded Villa played the strongest XI that they had available - the changes made were inforced due to injuries suffered in the past few weeks. Agbonlahor was taken ill on the morning of the game but was originally in the team.


Debatable. Theres ill and theres ill. If it was the final game of the season, chances are he'd have risked it. Luke Young was injured i take it. Gareth Barry? Delfuneso up front ahead of Harewood? Shorey at left back...(only joking)


A fact for you oh Doubting Thomas.
I have just been speaking to my Reading mate from Gillingham who's son is now in some kind of security job (upgraded steward) at Gillingham FC and he can verify that Agbonlahor was indeed ill on Sunday and had been due to start.
He had to go to the Villa coach to collect the player who had been left there feeling ill to come to the dressing room and there is no way that the player,who was crashed out on a seat at the back,was anywhere fit enough to play.
Mark is no liar.
Thought you would like to know.
BTW Mark also spoke to Villa fans who think Shorey is hopeless-Shorey's wife hasn't settled in the Midlands and wants to get back to London.
They like Sidwell.

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by howser » 08 Jan 2009 21:59

I totally agree with the Shorey situation at Villa, when they played Spurs early on he got roasted by Lennon's speed and has hardly featured since, too slow I'm afraid.


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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by Thaumagurist* » 22 Jan 2009 10:52

I see on Sky Sports News this morning that Harry Redknapp is going to rest some players this Saturday and play a very much weakened team in the FA Cup against Man Yoo.

I wonder if there will be an outcry in the media about this.

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by Alan Partridge » 22 Jan 2009 10:54

Thaumagurist* I see on Sky Sports News this morning that Harry Redknapp is going to rest some players this Saturday and play a very much weakened team in the FA Cup against Man Yoo.

I wonder if there will be an outcry in the media about this.


In fairness to the twitcher he hasn't got a great deal of choice seeing as half of his squad are injured and also they've had loads of games recently.

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by Gordons Cumming » 22 Jan 2009 11:01

howser I totally agree with the Shorey situation at Villa....................... too slow I'm afraid.


Now there's a surprise.

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by CMRoyal » 22 Jan 2009 11:01

Thaumagurist* I see on Sky Sports News this morning that Harry Redknapp is going to rest some players this Saturday and play a very much weakened team in the FA Cup against Man Yoo.

I wonder if there will be an outcry in the media about this.


As they say when Civil Servants go on strike - how will we be able to tell the difference? :lol:


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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by Huntley & Palmer » 22 Jan 2009 12:27

Gordons Cumming
howser I totally agree with the Shorey situation at Villa....................... too slow I'm afraid.


Now there's a surprise.

Shorey never had any pace, or am I missing something?

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by Platypuss » 26 Jan 2009 14:38

One positive side-effect of going out early is that we will avoid the later league fixture congestion that other clubs who are still in the competition will have to deal with.

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by Sun Tzu » 26 Jan 2009 14:40

Platypuss One positive side-effect of going out early is that we will avoid the later league fixture congestion that other clubs who are still in the competition will have to deal with.


If only !!

I see Wolves rested a few on Saturday ahead of their key clash with us. Huge article in the Mirror about it.

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by Baines » 26 Jan 2009 18:27

Why Is Actually Playing Football A Problem?

Common sense from Johnny Nic as usual:


In this mind-set The FA cup is 'a distraction', there are too many league games, the League Cup is 'not a priority', the UEFA cup is 'a long haul' and the Champions League is the Holy Grail on which all else must be sacrificed.

Whether you're going for title, for the Champions League or fighting relegation, there's always a problem with playing football these days, especially cup football.

It seems to be forgotten that the only function for football clubs is to actually play the game. Without the football there is nothing else.


Instead of...fielding a weakened team in order to reserve the fitness of your best players for a game 72 hours later, why not just try and win the game with your best players? A winning mentality is everything.

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by Kitsondinho » 26 Jan 2009 23:14

Platypuss One positive side-effect of going out early is that we will avoid the later league fixture congestion that other clubs who are still in the competition will have to deal with.

Ermmm....Doncaster moved, possibly Derby away.....

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by SpaceCruiser » 26 Jan 2009 23:37

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Platypuss One positive side-effect of going out early is that we will avoid the later league fixture congestion that other clubs who are still in the competition will have to deal with.

Ermmm....Doncaster moved, possibly Derby away.....


Er, we won't be playing on those two occasions i.e. we'll have a break, not having more games to play....

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Re: Fielding "weakened" teams in the FA Cup

by Sun Tzu » 27 Jan 2009 08:16

We'll have too few fixtures at one point and congestion at another....

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