Harte is Rubbish, not good enough for the Championship

[Hoop Blah]

When was the voting?

Pretty sure it's done in March these days.

You do have to remember that the players vote on what they read and see in highlights to quite an extent as they only see each team a live a couple of times of times a year.

[Snowball]

Daft, really.

Why can't they vote after the last game and before the POs?

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

Because they all feck off on holiday.

Regardless of the goal tally and workrate from Long, surely it is common for the team to have popular players in it, perhaps Longs standing with other players is a bit lower, maybe that could be the number of pens he has won this season, teams hate pens awarded against them, so do they mark the player down due to that?

[Snowball]

Good point.

[Hoop Blah]

I think a lot of the voting is done by the PFA rep on behalf of his lazy team mates as well, so although this is a nice award because it's voted for by your peers, it's also the one with the daftest voting system. Considering these are players who can't even be trusted with their own passports and other simple admin tasks I'm not surprised they have to do it early.

As HSSC says it's also a bit of a popularity contest within an incestuous industry and so Long's willingness to go down easily might not endear him to all those he plays against.

[Snowball]

As HSSC says it's also a bit of a popularity contest within an incestuous industry and so Long's willingness to go down easily might not endear him to all those he plays against.

Where I come from that usually equates to popular

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

I think a lot of the voting is done by the PFA rep on behalf of his lazy team mates as well, so although this is a nice award because it's voted for by your peers, it's also the one with the daftest voting system. Considering these are players who can't even be trusted with their own passports and other simple admin tasks I'm not surprised they have to do it early.

As HSSC says it's also a bit of a popularity contest within an incestuous industry and so Long's willingness to go down easily might not endear him to all those he plays against.

Didnt seem to affect Nani getting in to PFA Prem team

[BR2]

Well his fellow professionals think hes good enough - in PFA Team of Year

Championship team of the year: Kenny (QPR), Naughton (Leicester), Harte (Reading), Williams (Swansea), Morgan (Nottm Forest), Taarabt (QPR), Sinclair (Swansea), King (Leicester), Hoolahan (Norwich), Graham (Watford), Holt(Norwich).

Yeah but what the hell do they know?

Just because they leave and breathe the game, train and play
week in week out, they think they know more than some fat
bald man who likes his darts.

You have obviously heard the insightful stuff that ex-pros give out on TV.
Who is the fat bloke who plays darts?

[BR2]

The thing is Snowball he is described as a defender when in fact he is a player who just takes dead-ball kicks (very well I might add).
As a defender he is probably one of the worst in this division.

Utter nonsense. Harte has defended very well recently and whilst he gets beaten for pace or caught out of position every now and then the rest of the defence is covering for him far better now than it was when he was a little off form a while back.

Ian,as somebody who doesn't go to games you can hardly judge.
You fall into the same trap as those clouded by the goals scored-he is a poor defender but a very good dead-ball kicker.

[Snowball]

ex-pros on TV are feeding the masses.

[BR2]

The thing is Snowball he is described as a defender when in fact he is a player who just takes dead-ball kicks (very well I might add).
As a defender he is probably one of the worst in this division.

Have you actually been to any games recently or are you just bumping your gums on here 'coz your bored or something...?

Have been to the occasional game and as a defender I would put him about on a par with Paul Bodin.
As a dead-ball kicker I would put him on a par with Darren Caskey.
This season both of our wingers (yes even Jimmy) have improved tremendously in the defensive part of their game and have been a great help to our full-backs and an integral part of our game pattern.

[Ian Royal]

The thing is Snowball he is described as a defender when in fact he is a player who just takes dead-ball kicks (very well I might add).
As a defender he is probably one of the worst in this division.

Utter nonsense. Harte has defended very well recently and whilst he gets beaten for pace or caught out of position every now and then the rest of the defence is covering for him far better now than it was when he was a little off form a while back.

Ian,as somebody who doesn't go to games you can hardly judge.
You fall into the same trap as those clouded by the goals scored-he is a poor defender but a very good dead-ball kicker.

I've seen the majority of games this season thanks.

You on the other hand, appear to be blind.

[BR2]

ex-pros on TV are feeding the masses.

Ex-pros were once pros who voted for the PFA awards-'nuff said?

[Snowball]

In the last ten games our GD has improved by 15 goals, while conceding 12 (3 in one game, 1 per game average for the rest)

Harte has had 13 clean sheets this season, gets to 18th in Actim (on 4 games less) gets picked as a PFA player
and still there are jokers who feel they know best.

[Archie's penalty]

Great Harte compilation here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGhC4NNs6ZE

[Snowball]

ex-pros on TV are feeding the masses.

Ex-pros were once pros who voted for the PFA awards-'nuff said?

No, NOT "nuff said". How an EX-Pro speaks on sanitised TV, sometimes scripted,
aiming at the lowest common denominator, is not remotely how he might have
spoken when playing, or in private.

[Royal With Cheese]

I didn't feckin vote for him.

[BR2]

In the last ten games our GD has improved by 15 goals, while conceding 12 (3 in one game, 1 per game average for the rest)

Harte has had 13 clean sheets this season, gets to 18th in Actim (on 4 games less) gets picked as a PFA player
and still there are jokers who feel they know best.

And you purport to be a lateral thinker.
Football,like most things in life,is about opinions and yet in your strange world of posting endlessly about two footballers does not allow for contrary opinions.
Ian Harte is not beyond criticism,nor is any player,and you really should see beyond the goals and (as Brian did by dropping him some weeks ago)realise that he has considerable faults defensively.
Having seen quite a bit of him over the years,including some on Spanish TV,I am glad he has turned out to be better than I expected him to be but please do stop short of trying to beatify (sp?) these players as saints.

[BR2]

ex-pros on TV are feeding the masses.

Ex-pros were once pros who voted for the PFA awards-'nuff said?

No, NOT "nuff said". How an EX-Pro speaks on sanitised TV, sometimes scripted,
aiming at the lowest common denominator, is not remotely how he might have
spoken when playing, or in private.

So,they are some of the great thinkers in life when away from TV eh and regularly read Proust and Solzenitstein (sp?)?
Get real.

[Svlad Cjelli]

No, NOT "nuff said". How an EX-Pro speaks on sanitised TV, sometimes scripted, aiming at the lowest common denominator, is not remotely how he might have spoken when playing, or in private.

Any evidence or experience to back that up?