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Re: Assists

by TBM » 29 Jan 2014 22:04

P!ssed Off No, you can't have a goal without a goalscorer.
But you can have a goal without anyone credited with an assist. Therein lies the difference.


Every goal has an assist of some sort, why does it have to be an on the plate pass to count as one?

If a player does all the hard work and it then falls in to the path of the goal scorer then why shouldn't that player get recognition for it?

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Re: Assists

by NewCorkSeth » 29 Jan 2014 22:12

P!ssed Off No, you can't have a goal without a goalscorer.
But you can have a goal without anyone credited with an assist. Therein lies the difference.

What goal is to goalscorer, is not the same as what goal is to assistor. Reasoning does not follow a valid or logical path.

Besides I addressed this (I thought), if we are going to credit someone with a goal when they didnt mean to score then we should also credit someone with an assist when they didnt mean to pass. A goal that deflects is not an own goal therefore a pass that deflects is not an (for lack of better terminology) an own assist.

Another possible solution is to say that the equivelant of a goal without an assist is a pass without a finish (imagine if, when Gareth squared it to Alfie for his third Alfie had missed)

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Re: Assists

by P!ssed Off » 29 Jan 2014 22:28

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P!ssed Off No, you can't have a goal without a goalscorer.
But you can have a goal without anyone credited with an assist. Therein lies the difference.

What goal is to goalscorer, is not the same as what goal is to assistor. Reasoning does not follow a valid or logical path.

Besides I addressed this (I thought), if we are going to credit someone with a goal when they didnt mean to score then we should also credit someone with an assist when they didnt mean to pass. A goal that deflects is not an own goal therefore a pass that deflects is not an (for lack of better terminology) an own assist.

Another possible solution is to say that the equivelant of a goal without an assist is a pass without a finish (imagine if, when Gareth squared it to Alfie for his third Alfie had missed)


Not sure what you're on about there.
A goal isn't necessarily a credit. Take an own goal for example.
It's merely a way of documenting who was most responsible for the goal.

An assist on the other hand is always a positive 'credit'. Given when someone has made a worthy contribution immediately prior to a goal.
If the opposition goalkeeper gives it straight to our striker to score then the goalkeeper will not be granted an assist.
It's not a necessity unless you're playing fantasy football.

McCleary to Le Fondre for the 1st goal was not a deflected pass anyway, it was a blocked shot. Why should he be given massive credit for having his shot blocked. That's not an achievement.

The Football League has credited Reading players with 26 assists this season. We've scored 44 goals.
Take it up with them.

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Re: Assists

by NewCorkSeth » 29 Jan 2014 22:32

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P!ssed Off No, you can't have a goal without a goalscorer.
But you can have a goal without anyone credited with an assist. Therein lies the difference.

What goal is to goalscorer, is not the same as what goal is to assistor. Reasoning does not follow a valid or logical path.

Besides I addressed this (I thought), if we are going to credit someone with a goal when they didnt mean to score then we should also credit someone with an assist when they didnt mean to pass. A goal that deflects is not an own goal therefore a pass that deflects is not an (for lack of better terminology) an own assist.

Another possible solution is to say that the equivelant of a goal without an assist is a pass without a finish (imagine if, when Gareth squared it to Alfie for his third Alfie had missed)


Not sure what you're on about there.
A goal isn't necessarily a credit. Take an own goal for example.
It's merely a way of documenting who was most responsible for the goal.

An assist on the other hand is always a positive 'credit'. Given when someone has made a worthy contribution immediately prior to a goal.
You can't get a negative assist if the opposition goalkeeper gives it straight to our striker to score then the goalkeeper will not be granted an assist.
It's not a necessity unless you're playing fantasy football.

McCleary to Le Fondre for the 1st goal was not a deflected pass anyway, it was a blocked shot. Why should he be given massive credit for having his shot blocked. That's not an achievement.

The Football League has credited Reading players with 26 assists this season. We've scored 44 goals.
Take it up with them.

Maybe I'll start my own football league. With blackjack. And hookers. Infact forget the league. And the blackjack.

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Re: Assists

by Ouroboros » 29 Jan 2014 23:26

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In fantasy football terms, its whoever last touched it from the scoring side, before the goal scorer did

Fantasy football can take that definition and shove it up its rectum because it's a bloody stupid one made solely for ease of calculation points in a game. It's got very little to do with the real world of football.


Not really

Without McCleary taking that shot last night, for the first, then ALF wouldn't have scored.........so McCleary assisted in ALF getting the goal


So you'd give an assist to a player who had their shot saved by the keeper if the rebound was scored?

What about if the keeper caught their shot, but sliced their kick straight to the feet of the striker...?


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Re: Assists

by Platypuss » 29 Jan 2014 23:31

NewCorkSeth Reasoning does not follow a valid or logical path.


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Re: Assists

by NewCorkSeth » 29 Jan 2014 23:43

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NewCorkSeth Reasoning does not follow a valid or logical path.


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His reasoning. Not that it matters. I just like to pick holes with argument construction.

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Re: Assists

by Wycombe Royal » 30 Jan 2014 09:35

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Not really

Without McCleary taking that shot last night, for the first, then ALF wouldn't have scored.........so McCleary assisted in ALF getting the goal


So you'd give an assist to a player who had their shot saved by the keeper if the rebound was scored?

What about if the keeper caught their shot, but sliced their kick straight to the feet of the striker...?

If the player has forced the keeper in to the save which he has parried out to another player then yes. In your second scenario no. The keeper made a successful save and held on to the ball. It's not rocket science.

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Re: Assists

by melonhead » 30 Jan 2014 09:56

gayest debate ever.
its not american football. you cant define the game by stats, no matter how hard you try. but...


McCleary to Le Fondre for the 1st goal was not a deflected pass anyway, it was a blocked shot. Why should he be given massive credit for having his shot blocked. That's not an achievement


Mcleary aimed his shot across goal, specifically because the percentages are better, and if you miss hit it slightly there will be a chance it may go directly, or rebound to the other striker at the far post, so....


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Re: Assists

by Pepe the Horseman » 30 Jan 2014 10:08

melonhead gayest debate ever.
its not american football. you cant define the game by stats, no matter how hard you try. but...


McCleary to Le Fondre for the 1st goal was not a deflected pass anyway, it was a blocked shot. Why should he be given massive credit for having his shot blocked. That's not an achievement


Mcleary aimed his shot across goal, specifically because the percentages are better, and if you miss hit it slightly there will be a chance it may go directly, or rebound to the other striker at the far post, so....

I think the debate we had on R&G about the most handsome Premier League footballer was gayer.

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Re: Assists

by MouldyRoyal » 30 Jan 2014 10:08

Cabaye? A loss to the league.

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Re: Assists

by Pepe the Horseman » 30 Jan 2014 10:44

Hear, hear.

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Re: Assists

by TBM » 30 Jan 2014 10:48

Aguero


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Re: Assists

by NewCorkSeth » 30 Jan 2014 11:55

Ricky van wolfswinkel

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by NewCorkSeth » 30 Jan 2014 11:55

Ricky van wolfswinkel

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Re: Assists

by Pepe the Horseman » 30 Jan 2014 11:58

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by MouldyRoyal » 30 Jan 2014 12:02

Ramsey

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by maffff » 30 Jan 2014 12:46

Luke Chadwick

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Re: Assists

by Pepe the Horseman » 30 Jan 2014 12:47

If you're not going to take this seriously, I'd rather you didn't contribute.

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maffff Luke Chadwick



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