Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by Sanguine » 21 Nov 2022 10:58

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Sanguine If the players really did care about what happens in other parts of the world they wouldn't be going, nor would they have gone to Russia last time.

That's rubbish. I'm watching this World Cup. I care deeply about the living conditions of others.


I know that you have a very high opinion of yourself and the importance of your views but I rather think that you are not in a great position to make an impact on the rest of the world, you struggle to get people on HNA to take notice. :wink:

Top sportsmen however do have a far-reaching platform, e.g the Yank and his knee, the black power guys at the Olympics etc.
If our players had refused to go to Qatar imagine what a knock-on effect that could have occurred-their jobs would still have been there at home and who knows, maybe the whole thing would have been moved or scrapped.

If people do care strongly about something they don't just go down on the knee or wear a bright armband.
I would suggest that they don't care much, maybe less than you do, and that is up to them but these token gestures are so small that they are IMHO insignificant apart from here where they are being much talked about but also where those rights are no longer an issue.
It's easy to preach to the converted.


I don't think Harry Kane has much more influence than you or I. The English FA do, sure. But the English FA haven't withdrawn from the tournament. If Kane (for example) had refused to go, there would have been headlines for a few days, and then Jarrod Bowen would have gone instead. These gestures matter. Or rather, not doing them, and pretending that issues are important, matters. To paraphrase someone I just read on Twitter, the importance of not doing this is to remind the LBGTQ+ community in the UK that support for gay rights extends only to 'not getting a yellow card'.

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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 21 Nov 2022 11:07

I think the most impactful way for anyone to make any sort of stand was to boycott the tournament, either as a player or as a nation. Unfortunately, a stand-alone player/nation were never going to do this as they'd lose their opportunity to play at the World Cup, whereas they'd just be replaced by someone else (which in itself is still wrong but FIFA wouldn't have had a choice).

If all these nations and players had a meeting to say they weren't going, and the majority (say 25+) said they weren't going, then it would have made a significant impact I'd have thought. But they'd had well over a decade to try and sort these issues out prior to now, so it's nothing new really about this. Qatar were never going to change their culture in 12 years.

I don't think armbands or gestures such as taking the knee are "pointless", just far less significant than what could/should be done. They do raise awareness; it probably does spike minor change somewhere in the world, but it's just an incremental step to trying to change the culture.

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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by Loafer » 21 Nov 2022 11:09

Sanguine If the players really did care about what happens in other parts of the world they wouldn't be going, nor would they have gone to Russia last time.

That's rubbish. I'm watching this World Cup. I care deeply about the living conditions of others.

+1

people who virtue signal others are ridiculous
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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by Loafer » 21 Nov 2022 11:10

lol
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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by Winston Biscuit » 21 Nov 2022 11:32

They are now not wearing the armband


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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by Brum Royal » 21 Nov 2022 11:42

Should have got Southgate and the backroom team to wear it, continues to make the point, and takes the somewhat unfair pressure off the players.

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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by Loafer » 21 Nov 2022 12:00

Southgate is an utter shit manager

what a JOKE of a lineup

Mount, Shaw, Maguire and Sterling should not be there

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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by Zammo » 21 Nov 2022 12:02

Do you not think that team is capable in beating Iran ?

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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by Loafer » 21 Nov 2022 12:03

Zammo Do you not think that team is capable in beating Iran ?

I do not think Iran are the pushovers people think

The defence has me nervous as oxf*rd

Foden and Maddison should be in there


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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by Hendo » 21 Nov 2022 12:04

Maddison is injured :|

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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by fartdad » 21 Nov 2022 12:14

Winston Biscuit They are now not wearing the armband

If England had any backbone they would refuse to play. So predictable that woke teams start to care about these issues at the 11th hour just so it’s not feasible to back out. During parts of BLM, we had games cancelled last minute not just in basketball but in baseball and hockey etc. all it took was someone with a backbone. 12 years of virtue signaling by England. Bunch of pussys giving it large to Hungary and Poland, but their belief in LGBT rights crater when it comes up against the first sign of resistance. Looool

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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 21 Nov 2022 12:19

Loafer
Zammo Do you not think that team is capable in beating Iran ?

I do not think Iran are the pushovers people think

The defence has me nervous as oxf*rd

Foden and Maddison should be in there


Agree about Iran potentially not being pushovers, but the team is still plenty good and should have enough to see off Iran. Maddison is injured as well.

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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by Winston Biscuit » 21 Nov 2022 12:20

I would love us all to pull out of fifa and do summat else. But If nations didn't pull out of FIFA and create their own organisation after Qatar were awarded it then they never will


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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by 6ft Kerplunk » 21 Nov 2022 12:23

Winston Biscuit They are now not wearing the armband

Utter bollocks. Guess there's no hope that our whole squad will turn up at 1pm with rainbow laces in their boots.

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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by fartdad » 21 Nov 2022 13:02

Winston Biscuit I would love us all to pull out of fifa and do summat else. But If nations didn't pull out of FIFA and create their own organisation after Qatar were awarded it then they never will

It’s just shitty all around. They should have had their World Cup revoked when most of Fifa went down for bribes and fraud that led to Russia and Qatar being awarded. But they seemed to replace those people with more of the same. Advertisers which are used here sometimes for push social change, get those big contract advertisers to pull out and put pressure on, didn’t happen. Then individual FAs could have put pressure on to make change, but outside Sweden or Norway making a statement 4-6 years ago that they would consider boycotting if they qualified, largely nothing until the last few months. Same with media and influencers, didn’t really hear much until the last few months. So it all got dumped on the players to push for change, who for some of them might be their only major tournament and such a career defining time.

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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by Loafer » 21 Nov 2022 13:05

How was that not penalty?!

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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by sputnik » 21 Nov 2022 13:09

ouch!

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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by Hendo » 21 Nov 2022 13:11

sputnik ouch!


Ohh yeah, ouch indeed! Fair ol' collision that.

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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by Brogue » 21 Nov 2022 13:14

no way should he being staying on

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Re: Qatar Hero - The World Cup 2022 thread

by Brum Royal » 21 Nov 2022 13:15

Loafer How was that not penalty?!


Certainly should have been

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