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Re: England vs Holland

by BR2 » 29 Feb 2012 11:31

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Mr Angry Parker chosen as skipper; Stevie G will be disappointed no doubt!


Good choice!


I think Parker is very fortunate to even be in the squad let alone play AND be captain.
This looks like an attempt by Pearce to stamp his mark-the same Pearce who inspired (?) such a woefull performance by the U21s last year and who's tactical acumen begins and ends with "hit it long".
The picking of Campbell,Carson and Downing was ridiculous in the extreme.
Vorm got called up for his country and yet in-form players like Holt,Graham (the 2 leading English strikers in the Premier League)and Dyer are not deemed good enough for England.
Pearce appears to have just gone with players that he knows which is too narrow-minded an approach IMHO.

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Re: England vs Holland

by YateleyRoyal » 29 Feb 2012 11:34

I agree with a lot of your post, but Parker is one of the most consistent midfielders in the Premiership - why is he lucky to even have a place?

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Re: England vs Holland

by FiNeRaIn » 29 Feb 2012 11:35

Agree with that. Why are no hopers like downing, parker, defoe, cahill, barry and bent in the squad?

They are decent prem players but nowhere near the standard of the top international teams in the world. Get the young players in. We've been going with experience for years and it doesn't work, they simply don't have the talent or technical ability. Get young players in the team and hope they don't freeze like the Spanish, German and dutch youngsters don't.

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Re: England vs Holland

by LoyalRoyalFan » 29 Feb 2012 11:36

YateleyRoyal I agree with a lot of your post, but Parker is one of the most consistent midfielders in the Premiership - why is he lucky to even have a place?


Agreed. He has been fantastic this season.

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Re: England vs Holland

by FiNeRaIn » 29 Feb 2012 11:39

YateleyRoyal I agree with a lot of your post, but Parker is one of the most consistent midfielders in the Premiership - why is he lucky to even have a place?


Because he doesn't have international quality. He's played well for tottenham, but playing well for them in a work-horse role and bullying the shite teams like tottenham do does not make you international class. Sloppy first touch and way too slow in distributing the ball effectively. Looked like a pedestrian against spain and he's supposed to be winning the ball back and allowing us to build.


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Re: England vs Holland

by Silver Fox » 29 Feb 2012 11:41

I might actually pay attention to some of this now as it looks like there'l be plenty of lulz

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Re: England vs Holland

by Simon's Church » 29 Feb 2012 11:55

Parker's alright, he's a bit like a white upgrade of Karacan so it's obvious why people like him.

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Re: England vs Holland

by Maguire » 29 Feb 2012 12:22

lol@ not picking Parker for the squad

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Re: England vs Holland

by pea » 29 Feb 2012 12:25

Maguire lol@ not picking Parker for the squad


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Re: England vs Holland

by BR2 » 29 Feb 2012 12:34

Maguire lol@ not picking Parker for the squad

Hardly a player for the future-a very limited player who looks o.k because he has Bale and Modric alongside him.
A failure at both Chelsea and Newcastle who only shone at Charlton and the relegated West Ham.
Did you not see him all at sea against Arsenal on Sunday when he was so mesmerised that he ended up getting sent off?
A central midfield of Parker and Barry will hardly worry any reasonable foreign side.

The worst thing to happen tonight would be for England to win-people would feel as though we had cracked it,just as happened before in friendlies v Argentina and Spain after which we showed big style when it came to serious tournament games rather than friendlies that we hadn't in fact cracked it.

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Re: England vs Holland

by Hoop Blah » 29 Feb 2012 12:39

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Mr Angry Parker chosen as skipper; Stevie G will be disappointed no doubt!


Good choice!


I think Parker is very fortunate to even be in the squad let alone play AND be captain.
This looks like an attempt by Pearce to stamp his mark-the same Pearce who inspired (?) such a woefull performance by the U21s last year and who's tactical acumen begins and ends with "hit it long".


Having watched quite a bit of the U21s in the summer I'd have to agree that Pearce shouldn't be allowed near the full squad for the Euro's later in the year. He made some very odd selections and choices in the summer and didn't get anywhere near the most out of the players he had in the squad.

Not sure he's trying to 'stamp his mark' though. He's said he wants the incoming manager to learn things from this friendly. You could argue you won't learn anything by giving Gerrard the armband but you will by letting Parker have it for this one-off occassion.

BR2 The picking of Campbell,Carson and Downing was ridiculous in the extreme.
Vorm got called up for his country and yet in-form players like Holt,Graham (the 2 leading English strikers in the Premier League)and Dyer are not deemed good enough for England.


Vorm's been in and around the Dutch squad for years now though. He's got 9 caps and made his debut in 2009. He's quite established in the squad now so not sure what relevance he has to the debate.

Who's looked a better left winger than Downing over the last 18 months or so? He's an established player in the squad and as I said previously, I do think you need to have some consistency in selection and not just pick the players who've done well in the last 4 or 5 weeks when building a national squad. Getting the balance right is a touch one I guess, and one that I don't think previous managers have got quite right, especially Sven in his latter years.

I think Carson actually had quite a decent season last year as it happens. Obviously not seen any of his performances this season but I doubt he's done much to be dropped.

BR2 Pearce appears to have just gone with players that he knows which is too narrow-minded an approach IMHO.


Maybe true but I don't see Holt or Graham being long term answers for England. Welbeck and Sturridge should certainly be players that are looked at and I can't see that many would argue for Holt or Grahams inclusion over and above them.

Capello was seemingly trying to move the England team to a more fluid and passing system of play that used a bit of pace upfront. Perhaps Pearce was looking at options to back up or replace Bent (probably needed now he's out injured) with like for like and neither Holt nor Graham are likely to be the kind of options for that.

It shows a bit of a lack of depth, but you have to remember that Pearce is looking for this to be a bit of an experimental squad, but without it being totally left field.

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Re: England vs Holland

by sheshnu » 29 Feb 2012 12:47

BR2 A central midfield of Parker and Barry will hardly worry any reasonable foreign side.


Likewise one of Van Bommel and De Jong tbf. I agree they're all plodders but I imagine they'll do a job.

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Re: England vs Holland

by BR2 » 29 Feb 2012 13:00

Pearce picked 3 right-backs,one got injured so he called up a centre-half as a replacement.
Bent (a striker who hasn't exactly stood out as an international player gets injured and he brings in nobody.
My point about Vorm is that he is a Swansea player-Nathan Dyer and Scott Sinclair have both looked miles better than Downing or Walcott in 6 months of Premier League football-Downing and Walcott are both known entities at international level and the above two aren't.
He picks Campbell ,not good enough (or maybe not fit enough) to start for mid-table Sunderland and yet the boys from mid-table Swansea don't get a look-in despite showing excellent form all season,as has Danny Graham.

England have picked bigger forwards like Crouch,Heskey,Carroll and Bothroyd in recent times so why not Holt or Graham now especially with Rooney missing the first two Euro games and now Bent unlikely to be fit?

Having said all that,what is tonight and indeed the Euros all about?
Are we building for 2014?
Are we going to give 2012 a real shot?
Is this Pearce's team or that of our manager-in-waiting?
For some years now the whole England/FA has been without real direction-there is so little planning.
If our U21s had been successful I would be advocating a big take-up of U21 players but the likes of Smalling,Jones,Sturridge and Wellbeck,the nucleus of last season's side hardly covered themselves in glory.
On balance I think at the moment English players are just not very good.


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Re: England vs Holland

by winchester_royal » 29 Feb 2012 13:05

I find it interesting how you're saying that because Dyer and Sinclair have shown decent form for a midtable team they should be picked; yet Scotty Parker, who has been a key player for a team currently lying in 3rd, is lucky to even be in the squad.

Remarkable.

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Re: England vs Holland

by FiNeRaIn » 29 Feb 2012 13:09

Big no to dyer, sinclair, graham or holt in the squad. Seriously, have England really fallen this far?

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Re: England vs Holland

by Hoop Blah » 29 Feb 2012 13:18

BR, I don't agree with some of Pearces selections, especially the right back issue you pointed out, but I don't think Sinclair has done anything near enough to be considered for the England squad at the moment, even if Downing has been under par this season.

The 'big' forward debate is interesting though. Capello did try a few yes, but he seemed to have moved away from it with Carroll struggling this season.

I do think you're ranting for some reason though, but what exactly to do want Pearce to do with this squad? He's picked a reasonable balance of experience and youth whilst not disrupting things too much which is important as we've only got a few games to prepare for the Euro's.

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Re: England vs Holland

by Hoop Blah » 29 Feb 2012 13:21

As for building towards the 2014 World Cup, we've probably got a better chance of winning this years Euro's than the World Cup in Brazil.

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Re: England vs Holland

by 6ft Kerplunk » 29 Feb 2012 13:43

So if I'm understanding this correctly Sinclair deserves a place in the squad because he failed at Chelsea and has done ok at a midtable premiership team this season. But Parker who failed at Chelsea and has been excellent at a top 4 club this season doesn't.

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Re: England vs Holland

by Wax Jacket » 29 Feb 2012 13:48

BR2 Bent (a striker who hasn't exactly stood out as an international player


:| 3 goals from 6 games in 2011


I sometimes wonder what planet football fans live on

Steven GErrard was abject shit on Sunday, yet people want him captaining England

is there some sort of ulterior motive at work?

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Re: England vs Holland

by YateleyRoyal » 29 Feb 2012 14:00

LOL @ Parker not being good enough.

Voted player of the year last season by his peers, which by my reckoning included tonight's opponents including RVP, De Jong, Heitinga, Krul and Kuyt. Obviously he's good enough to be the best player in the league that they play in, but not good enough internationally. OK then.

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