Brendan Rogers

[Vision]

Agreed ^^^^

Sure he's not the messiah some in the media would have us believe but some of the bollocks on here beggars belief.

And the Shorey conspiracy theorists can do one too.

[blindedbythelights]

yeah, is this what its like on the team board

[No Fixed Abode]

Made me laugh reading that BR intends to loans Liverpool players to Swansea. Why would Swansea want players who are no better than what they already have?

[Wax Jacket]

What stumps me is people saying Martinez has a better record than Rodgers though

it may've been 'Martinez's team' but he still took them up and got them a better finish than Wigan. if Martinez was such a genius why ar eWigan always in relegation trouble

[Alan Partridge]

What stumps me is people saying Martinez has a better record than Rodgers though

it may've been 'Martinez's team' but he still took them up and got them a better finish than Wigan. if Martinez was such a genius why ar eWigan always in relegation trouble

He wasn't manager when Wigan had their first season up and finished in a similar position to what Swansea did. You often have that good first season where it's all new and the club is still on an upward turn from the previous promotion.

'Second season syndrome' and 3rd, 4th, 5th kicks in for the smaller clubs. The only one I can think of that have gone up and been in no serious relegation struggle so far have been Stoke. Everyone else of similar stature have gone on to struggle as the club finds it's natural level. Swansea will be in the bottom 6 or 7 next season with or without Rodgers, he knows that that's a major reason why he left, his stock wouldn't be so high next year when Swansea are 19th.

Wigan have no right to be in the Premiership as a club but every year they battle against the odds, they also have an excellent and supportive chairman in Whelan who has given Martinez the time needed to turn them from what they were under Bruce and Jewell into Martinez's passing side. Martinez turned Swansea into this passing machine they are today, he's done that at Wigan whilst maintaining their Premiership status by hook or by crook. He has also shown himself to be fiercely loyal to the clubs he's been at. All of that makes his achievements greater than 'fight for my life' Rodgers whose record managerially is hit and miss and his loyalty non existant. It will be interesting to see how he gets on at Liverpool. It should be easier for him to change their style than it was for Martinez with Wigan or for Rodgers at Reading as he is starting off with better players and a bigger budget. If he fails then it just confirms what I've always thought about him. He got extremely lucky to fall on his feet with Swansea and other than that he's all show with little substance.

[strap]

His track record:

Saved Watford from relegation using Boothroyd's team.
Got Martinez's and Sousa's team promoted.
Spent more money in 6 months at our club than any other manager, and took us from 4th to 21st before being kicked out.

Sorry, but that's a load of cobblers.

He did better at Watford than Boothroyd was doing.

It helped him that his defensive, short passing game was already being played under Sousa, but he improved them. I don't think he worked miracles there by any means, but he certainly added to Sousa's side, and did it without Bodde or Gomez who were the two best players under Martinez by a long way.

He didn't spend more than Coppell. You would be right to say he spent more in one transfer window whilst in the Championship, and spent it on players like Mills and Cummings who he didn't play and Rasiak who was awful. He mess up badly here though.

To be honest I think his achievements are being overstated- Lambert and Martinez have both done much more and don't have massive blots on their record- but you are letting your opinion of him as a man cloud your judgement.

Thank you for agreeing with my basic argument.

[Wax Jacket]

What stumps me is people saying Martinez has a better record than Rodgers though

it may've been 'Martinez's team' but he still took them up and got them a better finish than Wigan. if Martinez was such a genius why ar eWigan always in relegation trouble

He wasn't manager when Wigan had their first season up and finished in a similar position to what Swansea did. You often have that good first season where it's all new and the club is still on an upward turn from the previous promotion.

'Second season syndrome' and 3rd, 4th, 5th kicks in for the smaller clubs. The only one I can think of that have gone up and been in no serious relegation struggle so far have been Stoke. Everyone else of similar stature have gone on to struggle as the club finds it's natural level. Swansea will be in the bottom 6 or 7 next season with or without Rodgers, he knows that that's a major reason why he left, his stock wouldn't be so high next year when Swansea are 19th.

Wigan have no right to be in the Premiership as a club but every year they battle against the odds, they also have an excellent and supportive chairman in Whelan who has given Martinez the time needed to turn them from what they were under Bruce and Jewell into Martinez's passing side. Martinez turned Swansea into this passing machine they are today, he's done that at Wigan whilst maintaining their Premiership status by hook or by crook. He has also shown himself to be fiercely loyal to the clubs he's been at. All of that makes his achievements greater than 'fight for my life' Rodgers whose record managerially is hit and miss and his loyalty non existant. It will be interesting to see how he gets on at Liverpool. It should be easier for him to change their style than it was for Martinez with Wigan or for Rodgers at Reading as he is starting off with better players and a bigger budget. If he fails then it just confirms what I've always thought about him. He got extremely lucky to fall on his feet with Swansea and other than that he's all show with little substance.

not saying Martinez is a bad manager at all

but people are making him out to be the new Ferguson or Wenger when in reality, in comparison to Rodgers, he's done a bit better over a couple more seasons

[Alan Partridge]

That's fair enough I'm not convinced on Whelan's assumption that he'll go to one of Europe's top clubs either. Maybe one on the wane like Liverpool but not one of the top clubs. I'd imagine back in Spain he's hardly heard of as I don't think he really played for anyone of note over there and he played the majority of his career for Motherwell (IIRC), Swansea and Wigan. So his best option is a club in this country.

Maybe someone like Spurs who play a similar style to him once Redknapp goes having bankrupted another club. I dunno it's all guesswork.

There's just something about Martinez, not just his style of play but his integrity, his loyalty and the way he conducts himself in public I think is of real class. He's one of those blokes that you just hope does quite well for himself, same as his Wigan team last season. Loads including me were right on the bandwagon hoping they stay up for the way they played in the last 5/6weeks of the season.

Rodgers must be pinching himself these last couple of years the way things have worked out for him. I think we'll learn a lot about Rodgers during his tenure at Liverpool. Not saying what he acheived at Swansea wasn't good but I'm not as convinced as some simply down to the fact he inherited such a good side in a stable position who were only going upwards not downwards.

[Wax Jacket]

Rodgers must be pinching himself these last couple of years the way things have worked out for him.

yep

a turbo-charged Redknapp in my eyes

[Hoop Blah]

I think AP has pretty much covered most of what I'd have said in support of Martinez, but he's also claimed some massive scalps on the way to getting a severly under resourced Wigan out of certain relegation at Christmas.

Of course the position they were in was his doing, but considering the size of the club and the problems they have attracting and keeping talent, that isn't any surprise.

As AP said, it's a lot about the man as much as his statistical record, but the other thing that really impresses me about Martinez is his eye for a player. His record in the transfer market is pretty good, both at Swansea and at Wigan. At Swansea he paid peanuts and picked up the likes of Bodde, Rangel, Williams, Scotland, Gomez and De Vires who all went on to prove to be excellent players. At Wigan he's done the same, albeit less spectacularly, with the likes of McCarthy, McCarthur, Moses and Caldwell. He doesn't seem to buy many duffs.

[Royal Lady]

Rodgers has never had more than 41% win ratio - including at Swansea - it ws 26% with us. That's not the mark of a great manager in my book. Time will tell, but I think his big "I am" attitude will see his downfall.

[Wax Jacket]

what sort of win ratio are you looking for from a manager RL?

[Simon's Church]

Considering 1 of the 2 seasons he's been at Swansea was in the prem, I think 40% is pretty good.

[3 veesinarow]

Allowing for the fact that Dillon babysat us for 4 weeks between Pardew and Coppell, did we not ought to be just a bit more laissez-faire and a little less bitter with Rodgers, in that his appointment means our last four managers will have now all been Premiership bosses, assuming nothing strange goes on between now and August with either him or BMcD? How many other clubs outside the regular Premiership cabal can lay claim to that? How many clubs would be able to say "we have three people who have managed our club and are now currently managing a Premiership side"?

[Hoop Blah]

Rodgers has never had more than 41% win ratio - including at Swansea - it ws 26% with us. That's not the mark of a great manager in my book. Time will tell, but I think his big "I am" attitude will see his downfall.

Has he ever been in a position to have a significant win %?

His best chance was possibly with us, but having lost half the team before he took over, and having to rebuild it with the promise of it being a 3 year plan, I don't think he was in a position to have league winning form.

If you looked at Coppell's time at City, Palace or Brighton, would you say he wasn't any good too?

[Wax Jacket]

Allowing for the fact that Dillon babysat us for 4 weeks between Pardew and Coppell, did we not ought to be just a bit more laissez-faire and a little less bitter with Rodgers

if only RFC fans weren't so thick I guess we could

[floyd__streete]

Allowing for the fact that Dillon babysat us for 4 weeks between Pardew and Coppell, did we not ought to be just a bit more laissez-faire and a little less bitter with Rodgers

if only RFC fans weren't so thick I guess we could

If you love Rodgers so much why don't you marry him

[Pepe the Horseman]

Oof

[Super_horns]

I know he wasn't with you guys for long but did he complain about officials a lot?

Only Rodgers seems to be getting really shirty towards officials demanding "luck" and basically putting pressure on them which wasn't the case when with us or even last season.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20102766

Maybe its just the typical big club manager approach we've seen so many times from Fergie and co because of the increased pressure and demand of instant success/results.

I suspect Moyes will be saying the same after the unforunate red card for one of Everton's top players last weekend (I say that because even Shearer on MOTD admitted at first look he felt there was a little clip)

[cmonurz]

Classic pre-big match comments, sort of thing Ferguson would do, just 'reminding' the officials not much has gone their way this season (in his view).