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Re: England vs Holland

by Maguire » 29 Feb 2012 14:07

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Hardly a player for the future-a very limited player who looks o.k because he has Bale and Modric alongside him.
A failure at both Chelsea and Newcastle who only shone at Charlton and the relegated West Ham.
Did you not see him all at sea against Arsenal on Sunday when he was so mesmerised that he ended up getting sent off?
A central midfield of Parker and Barry will hardly worry any reasonable foreign side.


Do we only pick "ones for the future" now? Is there no place in the side for senior footballers?

And how is he "ok" exactly? He's been class for Spurs this year and can hardly be called a "failure" at Newcastle where we was one of their best players.

He may not be a wordl beater but he's as good as anything else we've got and deserves his place in the squad.

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Re: England vs Holland

by Maguire » 29 Feb 2012 14:08

My word i've read further and now apparently half the Swansea team should be playing for England.

Holy Moly there are some odd opinions around these parts.

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Re: England vs Holland

by YateleyRoyal » 29 Feb 2012 14:09

Maguire My word i've read further and now apparently half the Swansea team should be playing for England.

Holy Moly there are some odd opinions around these parts.


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Re: England vs Holland

by YateleyRoyal » 29 Feb 2012 14:10

Also, remember who was captain for our last major tournament? And remember how well we did?

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Re: England vs Holland

by BR2 » 29 Feb 2012 14:39

winchester_royal I find it interesting how you're saying that because Dyer and Sinclair have shown decent form for a midtable team they should be picked; yet Scotty Parker, who has been a key player for a team currently lying in 3rd, is lucky to even be in the squad.

Remarkable.


It's easier playing with top players-think about it.
My point about Parker is that he is old and ordinary and do we really need 2 holding players in a side playing at home in a friendly?
As for Downing,people on here know that Liverpool is very close to my heart and I can confirm that to call his form even moderate this season would be an exaggeration.
Sinclair and Dyer on the other hand have made an enormous impression on the Premier League and IMHO warrant inclusion at least in the squad as these guys could be the future-they actually beat players and do something with the ball whereas Downing and to some extent Walcott have had mainly a season to forget.
Just because these guys play for Swansea shouldn't preclude their consideration.
BTW I also think that Milner is a non-event but marginally better than Parker.


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Re: England vs Holland

by FiNeRaIn » 29 Feb 2012 14:48

Walcott has 5 goals and 9 assists in the league this season in 25 games. Thats better than most. The arsenal boo boys and other people calling him mediocre are just cretins.

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Re: England vs Holland

by Maguire » 29 Feb 2012 15:05

BR2 Sinclair and Dyer on the other hand have made an enormous impression on the Premier League


I think that's an exaggeration tbh

Sinclair - 3 goals from open play this season (+4 pens) and 2 assists

Dyer - 3 goals and 2 assists plus he was dropped for six games or so

Never international players, although they've done well for their side.

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Re: England vs Holland

by Hoop Blah » 29 Feb 2012 15:09

I think Sinclair has it in him to develop into an international player, but he's got quite a way to go to be knocking players out of the existing squad.

Now he's playing in the Premier League he'll have a great opportunity to kick on to the next level, and he's young enough to do that, but I really can't say I've seen him play well enough for Swansea to really be in consideration.

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Re: England vs Holland

by Alan Partridge » 29 Feb 2012 15:25

Parker may be captain for 1 game, who knows what the future holds.

I'd have given it to Hart, guaranteed to play, top class keeper and not an idiot which is rare for an England player, he's also going to be in the team long term you'd think so would be good stability there.

As for Parker definitely in the squad and definitely in the team for me, it's the real old guard they need to get rid of, in fact as much as I dislike him Ashley Cole should be the only survivor because he's been consistently good for England and there is no one in his league still at LB in England. Terry, Ferdinand, Lampard, Gerrard, Barry, Crouch, Defoe cya all of them. Weren't good enough in your prime and now all past it either due to age, injury or both. Or in some cases crap from the start.

Needs to be a core of young players that England can keep long term, the reason the England cricket team has done so well is that the team is pretty much set in stone with 1 maybe 2 places up for grabs. The football team needs the same consistency in terms of selection over a long term period.


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Re: England vs Holland

by Simon's Church » 29 Feb 2012 15:32

Agree that Dyer and Sinclair are average, but then so are Milner, Walcott, Johnson and Downing so I probably would have given someone different a shot in this friendly.

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Re: England vs Holland

by who are ya? » 29 Feb 2012 16:30

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Re: England vs Holland

by Victor Meldrew » 29 Feb 2012 16:46

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Maguire lol@ not picking Parker for the squad

Hardly a player for the future-a very limited player who looks o.k because he has Bale and Modric alongside him.
A failure at both Chelsea and Newcastle who only shone at Charlton and the relegated West Ham.
Did you not see him all at sea against Arsenal on Sunday when he was so mesmerised that he ended up getting sent off?
A central midfield of Parker and Barry will hardly worry any reasonable foreign side.


Do we only pick "ones for the future" now? Is there no place in the side for senior footballers?

And how is he "ok" exactly? He's been class for Spurs this year and can hardly be called a "failure" at Newcastle where we was one of their best players.

He may not be a wordl beater but he's as good as anything else we've got and deserves his place in the squad.


Why not? Open your mind a little and don't think so one-dimentionally.
3 is hardly half the team.
Have some of you listened to any of the comments on the radio about Parker being captain and the players selected?
You are in the minority mate.
I can only think that Pearce wanted a fellow Londoner as captain,a player who isn't captain of his club and wasn't even an inspirational captain of relegated West Ham.
Unbelievable.

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Re: England vs Holland

by Friday's Legacy » 29 Feb 2012 16:56

i'm not sure about that side pearce is putting out for you guys. gareth barry isn't international standard, and you don't need him and parker in the same side. good luck. i hope it's worth watching but secretly i'm hoping holland smash that side to pieces to ensure pearce doesn't get the job full-time. i think he'd be a disaster for you, and i do like to see england do well.


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Re: England vs Holland

by Maguire » 29 Feb 2012 17:05

Victor Meldrew You are in the minority mate


In thinking Scott Parker should be in the England squad? I doubt it mate.

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Re: England vs Holland

by Maguire » 29 Feb 2012 17:05

Hoop Blah I think Sinclair has it in him to develop into an international player, but he's got quite a way to go to be knocking players out of the existing squad.

Now he's playing in the Premier League he'll have a great opportunity to kick on to the next level, and he's young enough to do that, but I really can't say I've seen him play well enough for Swansea to really be in consideration.


Yes, totally agree

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Re: England vs Holland

by Friday's Legacy » 29 Feb 2012 17:13

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Hoop Blah I think Sinclair has it in him to develop into an international player, but he's got quite a way to go to be knocking players out of the existing squad.

Now he's playing in the Premier League he'll have a great opportunity to kick on to the next level, and he's young enough to do that, but I really can't say I've seen him play well enough for Swansea to really be in consideration.


Yes, totally agree


also agree, but he's still too small. he needs to muscle up and fill out a bit. good feet, pacey and keen eye for goal. he has the ability certainly.

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Re: England vs Holland

by Hoop Blah » 29 Feb 2012 17:17

Victor Meldrew Why not? Open your mind a little and don't think so one-dimentionally.
3 is hardly half the team.
Have some of you listened to any of the comments on the radio about Parker being captain and the players selected?
You are in the minority mate.
I can only think that Pearce wanted a fellow Londoner as captain,a player who isn't captain of his club and wasn't even an inspirational captain of relegated West Ham.
Unbelievable.


In defence of Parker, who is the most capable midfield workhorse around at the moment (which every team needs in some form or another doesn't it?), he might not've been the official captain he certainly led by example. He was also reportedly the one who stood up in the West Ham dressing room and said the right things at important times (not enough to keep them up of course).

Mourinho apparently said that Parker gave the best team talk out of all the players he had deliver them whilst he was at Chelsea.

Having two already installed captains at previous clubs is hardly a reason not to give him the armband for a one off game. Don't really see the problem.

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Re: England vs Holland

by TheMaraudingDog » 29 Feb 2012 17:25

If you think Parker is half decent then you really don't understand football at the top level.

There is a very good reason why he was so cheap and why there was so little interest ibm him. He's not very good.

He's slow
He can't pass
He doesn't create
He doesn't score
He loses possession too often
He needs an extra touch
He doesn't look comfortable on the floor

But of course the odd slide tackle is more than enough to please an England Mongdiv.

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Re: England vs Holland

by Friday's Legacy » 29 Feb 2012 17:43

TheMaraudingDog If you think Parker is half decent then you really don't understand football at the top level.

There is a very good reason why he was so cheap and why there was so little interest ibm him. He's not very good.

He's slow - a defensive midfielder doesn't need to be fast.
He can't pass - er, yes he can. doesn't need to spray the ball around. short tidy passes suffice in his position.
He doesn't create - since when does a def.midfielder need to?
He doesn't score - see above.
He loses possession too often - no he doesn't.
He needs an extra touch - based on what, the occasional game you've seen on the box, a couple of live games? it's pretty normal for a def.mid to tackle (involves touching the ball) and then passing the ball.
He doesn't look comfortable on the floor - no. he's better stood upright...

But of course the odd slide tackle is more than enough to please an England Mongdiv.

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Re: England vs Holland

by cmonurz » 29 Feb 2012 17:54

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He's slow
He can't pass
He doesn't create
He doesn't score
He loses possession too often
He needs an extra touch
He doesn't look comfortable on the floor



Football didn't stop in 2009 m8, Parker has been excellent in the last two seasons.

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