SC hasn't a clue.

[Schards#2]

you'd better report that faulty ignore button AGAIN.

Instead of behaving like a little child why don't you post something constructive?

How about answering my question from yesterday for a start?

So how much of this parachute payment did Coppell get to see? As from where i'm sitting, we didn't spend half of the fees we received for Kitson and Shorey, let alone touch any parachute payment.

Enlighten us? How much did he get?

I would have thought the answer was in the question. He didn't get to see a penny of the parachute payment. Unless i'm missing something.

[Hoop Blah]

Another problem with Sanchez is people rate him because of his record with Wycombe.

Or his outstanding record with Northern Ireland of course....

If the chairman does bring in a manager like Lawrie Sanchez then it will show the lack of ambitions that he now has for this football club!

Or how far Sanchez has come in the last 5 years or so perhaps?

I'm not a fan of Sanchez as I don't think he builds sides to play a decent brand of football....he's a bit like Coppell in that sense!

[papereyes]

Lawrie Sanchez will not be a serious contender - my sources within RFC have always said that he has applied and always failed!

He definitely applied post-Burns.

He had a Big Mac meal after the interview.

[Hoop Blah]

I would have thought the answer was in the question. He didn't get to see a penny of the parachute payment. Unless i'm missing something.

You're missing the massive difference between what he had available and what he actually chose to spend.

[Royal_Belly]

Another problem with Sanchez is people rate him because of his record with Wycombe.

Or his outstanding record with Northern Ireland of course....

If the chairman does bring in a manager like Lawrie Sanchez then it will show the lack of ambitions that he now has for this football club!

Or how far Sanchez has come in the last 5 years or so perhaps?

I'm not a fan of Sanchez as I don't think he builds sides to play a decent brand of football....he's a bit like Coppell in that sense!

Sanchez has achieved nothing in the past 5 years unless I am missing something? He was sacked by Fulham... big achievement!!

[Royal Lady]

why would he be a serious contender this time around, when in the past he hasn't been shortlisted?

I tell you what, RL, I'm going to let you chew that one over for the rest of the day................

There's nothing to chew on - he won't even get shortlisted. As he hasn't before.

[Hoop Blah]

Sanchez has achieved nothing in the past 5 years unless I am missing something? He was sacked by Fulham... big achievement!!

He turned NI round from being a team that couldn't score a goal in something like a dozen matches and hadn't won a game for 3 years into a team that beat England and Spain in competitive qualifying games. He also turned David Healy into the worlds most deadly international forward for a while!

Apparently he took them from 124th to an all time high of 27th in the FIFA rankings.

I think that's some achievement.

[Schards#2]

I would have thought the answer was in the question. He didn't get to see a penny of the parachute payment. Unless i'm missing something.

You're missing the massive difference between what he had available and what he actually chose to spend.

So, can you enlighten us on how much he had available? No, you can't. I would suggest he had a minimal amount judging by what he actually spent and on whom. Given he was replacing leaving players he'd not be buying low out of his famous loyalty to his existing squad.

So what's the most likely scenario? - a) he spent the minimal budget at his disposal, or b) he is the only manger in the history to not spend a fraction of what was avaialable despite having just been relegated and having just lost two of his greatest assets.

[Alan Partridge]

Another problem with Sanchez is people rate him because of his record with Wycombe.

He fluked a few cup runs but his league performances for them was poor. Pretty sure he was fired after a couple of mediocre mid table seasons.

I agree with the above poster if Sanchez got near the job I would have a heart attack.

At a level they've not been at since. Just saying.

[Hoop Blah]

So, can you enlighten us on how much he had available? No, you can't.

No I can't your absolutley right. I never said I could but I wasn't the one that started off by saying the below as if I knew how much he had...

So how much of this parachute payment did Coppell get to see? As from where i'm sitting, we didn't spend half of the fees we received for Kitson and Shorey, let alone touch any parachute payment.

I have no idea how much he had available to spend. All I know is that Coppell has constantly said he had money to spend but chose not to.

I don't think he had all the Premiership money at his disposal because the club had costs to cover etc (done to death in the summer) but I do believe he had a competitive kitty available IF he'd gone to the Chairman and asked for it.

[Royal_Belly]

Sanchez has achieved nothing in the past 5 years unless I am missing something? He was sacked by Fulham... big achievement!!

He turned NI round from being a team that couldn't score a goal in something like a dozen matches and hadn't won a game for 3 years into a team that beat England and Spain in competitive qualifying games. He also turned David Healy into the worlds most deadly international forward for a while!

Apparently he took them from 124th to an all time high of 27th in the FIFA rankings.

I think that's some achievement.

Nope... an achievement in international football is qualifying and winning tournaments surely... not to pull a team up to 27th in the FIFA rankings!

[Woodcote Royal]

That's the whole point isn't it?? We don't know how much he got, but Mr Mad clearly didn't give him £30 million. And, as Schards has already said, we certainly didn't spend much of the money we got in transfers for Kitson and Shorey.

I think we're fairly certain, though, that money was (and is) available to SC, but he decided not to spend it - either because the right players weren't available at the right price (or salary levels), because the players who were available didn't fit the team work ethic etc, or because he didn't want to disrupt the core team.

... and then that gets to the heart of why people might be voicing their misgivings.

Yes, we accept all those arguments, but when there's serious flaws to each of those three justifications for not spending money. Players were available - Cahill and O'Neill in the relegation season, Phillips (and Beattie?) the last summer. All were considered as 'right' and other reasons were used to justify not signing them. We have brought in a series of players that haven't fit the team work ethic - Fae, Halford being the major 2 (£5 million the pair) - so using that argument to justify not spending money loses a lot of its sting.

And the last one ... as an example: Coppell admitted in September that he thought he hadn't done enough to strengthen the team last season and then completely fails to strengthen the team in January - he wanted to be loyal to the core team and they let him down. Yes, we have a core team but they appear to be the players who often let us down the most. So even that argument is deeply flawed.

Half of the arguments on this board as to why we don't spend as much money as we possibly could boil down to 'we don't because we don't".

That isn't to say that we should spend, spend, spend but I think we should get down to a few salient facts - the club has money to spend, the club has more money to spend than it has spent and has a wage structure that is competitive at this level and could be competitive at the lower reaches of the level above. There are many reasons why we haven't utilised this money - some of which we cannot help (perception of club by others being the main one) and some of which we can.

I'd happily see a youth-based team come through but it would need two things alongside it to be competitive - a number of senior pros who have a real experience and a passion to keep going (but also accept that these players have a limited life span so, for example, get the two, three seasons out of Bryn then find a Bryn Jr) and a number of cherry signings that put a dash of class into the side.

Look at the team that went up - mostly players that we signed when young (Sidwell, Harper, Shorey, Sonko) or still young themselves plus a few older heads (Bryn, Oster, Little) and then players like Convey and Lita (who were at the time our 1st and =2nd most expensive players) brought in to add a touch of class.

A welcome return to serious debate and contender for post of the week.

Spot on.

[Schards#2]

Sanchez at Wycombe - Took over mid table side, stayed mid table side before taking to the relegation zone where they stayed after his dismissal

Sanchez at Fulham - Took over lower mid table side, led them to the relegation zone. After he was sacked, they flourished and stayed up and are now chasing a top ten finish

And that's it for league football. I'm sure he's a nice guy but his CV should go from desk to shredder in no more than 10 seconds

[Alan Partridge]

While we are on about managers, sometimes it just doesn't work out at clubs and does at others. Is Paul Jewell suddenly a shocking manager now after he failed at Derby? This is the man that took unfashionable Bradford into the Premiership and kept them there, and then took Wigan through the divisions, kept them there and got them to a domestic cup final.

Is Phil Brown a terrible manager because he failed miserably in his first job at Derby? Now he's taken Hull into the Premiership, and looks like they might stay there. I'm sure the Hull supporters were doing Cartwheels when he was appointed!!

Looking at those, the theme seems to be to just avoid Derby!

Sanchez probably wouldn't be my first choice but he did a steady - good job at Wycombe bar his last season, did a sensational unrivalled job with Northern Ireland, kept Fulham up then not so well the next. Fulham replaced him with a really top manager to be fair and I said as much at the time.

Would Paul Ince be a terrible suggestion? He failed at Blackburn,but previously kept Maccelsfield up when they were dead and buried before taking MK Dongs up.

Don't rule anything/anyone out is what i'm getting at and just because they've been successes/failures at other clubs means absolutely nothing imo when it comes to doing well here.

[Alan Partridge]

Sanchez has achieved nothing in the past 5 years unless I am missing something? He was sacked by Fulham... big achievement!!

He turned NI round from being a team that couldn't score a goal in something like a dozen matches and hadn't won a game for 3 years into a team that beat England and Spain in competitive qualifying games. He also turned David Healy into the worlds most deadly international forward for a while!

Apparently he took them from 124th to an all time high of 27th in the FIFA rankings.

I think that's some achievement.

Nope... an achievement in international football is qualifying and winning tournaments surely... not to pull a team up to 27th in the FIFA rankings!

With Northern Ireland? behave.

[brendywendy]

all very sensible

good post


except:

'we don't because we don't".

i think its more like we dont , becase the manager, chairman and director of football, see it as a good idea to run ourselves like a business, not a football club.

and

the club has money to spend, the club has more money to spend than it has spent

thats just good business.

[Alan Partridge]

all very sensible

good post


except:

'we don't because we don't".

i think its more like we dont , becase the manager, chairman and director of football, see it as a good idea to run ourselves like a business, not a football club.

and

the club has money to spend, the club has more money to spend than it has spent

thats just good business.

Not if it fails though surely?!

[brendywendy]

whatever the outcome, it is never good business to spend every penny of the money available

[Hoop Blah]

Sanchez has achieved nothing in the past 5 years unless I am missing something? He was sacked by Fulham... big achievement!!

He turned NI round from being a team that couldn't score a goal in something like a dozen matches and hadn't won a game for 3 years into a team that beat England and Spain in competitive qualifying games. He also turned David Healy into the worlds most deadly international forward for a while!

Apparently he took them from 124th to an all time high of 27th in the FIFA rankings.

I think that's some achievement.

Nope... an achievement in international football is qualifying and winning tournaments surely... not to pull a team up to 27th in the FIFA rankings!

In my opinion an achievement in international football is to make the most of what you have at your disposal and get the best results possible for your team.

It is pretty much impossible for NI to qualify for a tournament let alone win it!

International football is different to League football though so I wouldn't take it as great evidence of suitability for a club job and I'm still not a fan of having Sanchez at Reading. I can see an achievement when it's right infront of me though.

[Agent Balti]

Wise words AP, but Sanchez has always come across as some sour-puss that thinks the world owes him a favour. Could be all wrong, but that's my estimation of him as a man. He doesn't seem to be one to inspire a dressing room (but you could say that about Coppell.)

Then again, I flinched when Pardew was named manager and he turned out 'alright', not discounting the upward career move.

Who knows who we'll end up with should Coppell leave...but I'll take almost anyone who's half decent but doesn't have Reading connections.