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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by Svlad Cjelli » 31 May 2011 14:15

Royal Rother It's not the swearing per se that I have a problem with, it's the spittle, contorted faces, vitriol and sheer hatred it's delivered with that I detest.

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Swearing as an exclamation is a key part of football and perfectly natural. It's the foul-mouthed vitriol-filled abuse that's something quite different. (IMH0)

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by Seal » 31 May 2011 14:19

Also it seems as though a lot of these problems with "day trippers" came from those in the 130s. And the main problem was people being told to sit down / silence from fans.

These by all accounts were the most popular seats, which suggests that actually these fans must have been at the front of the queue for tickets, ergo...they were actually season ticket holders? :?

Maybe it's a proportion of our ST base who are the ones who spoil the "fun", and to be fair, feel they have a right to complain as they are there through thick an thin?

I was with what you would define as a few day trippers, but they were standing, singing, swearing and bundling when we scored with the best of them.

Think it's a bit of a misnomer that loyalty necessarily = passion (in terms of displaying it in an extroverted way).

Just food for thought?

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by southstand67 » 31 May 2011 14:19

Block 125 had a few lads in it who were going on about people not singing. Even heard them complaining about people leaving with 10 minutes to go.

However, with 5 minutes to go, these guys had gone too!

As has been posted elsewhere on another thread, if the daytrippers hadn't gone for the day out, it would've been embarrassing sitting in a half empty Stadium.

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by TBM » 31 May 2011 14:20

Row Z Royal
TBM Were you still there when it happened RZR, or had you lot gone for your KFC by then?


Before or after the beer throwing?


after

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by RoyalBlue » 31 May 2011 14:25

Seal Also it seems as though a lot of these problems with "day trippers" came from those in the 130s. And the main problem was people being told to sit down / silence from fans.

These by all accounts were the most popular seats, which suggests that actually these fans must have been at the front of the queue for tickets, ergo...they were actually season ticket holders? :?

Maybe it's a proportion of our ST base who are the ones who spoil the "fun", and to be fair, feel they have a right to complain as they are there through thick an thin?

I was with what you would define as a few day trippers, but they were standing, singing, swearing and bundling when we scored with the best of them.

Think it's a bit of a misnomer that loyalty necessarily = passion (in terms of displaying it in an extroverted way).

Just food for thought?


Possibly but don't forget the two tickets per season ticket holders - so it could have been good old mum who wanted to sit down on her first Royals experience! Sorry for being sexist 'football is my life' daughter!


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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by West Stand Man » 31 May 2011 14:26

Avon Royal Fuck off and never come back.

That really mattered to some of us. Have never been so ashamed to be a Reading fan. What happened on the pitch was football, it happens. However, what happened in the stands was unforgivable. Getting real fans ejected because they show passion is lower than low. If you don't like shouting and swearing then stay at home.

Oh, and nobody gives a fuck if there are kids present.


Grow up.

If your vocabulary is so poor that you are compelled to swear to get your point across then accept the hit.

Oh, and yes it does matter that kids and decent folk of an adult age are present because (like it or not) they represent a greater proportion of the fan base and the future of the club than people who think that being offensive and abusive is 'part of the game'. maybe if those 'real fans' had been willing to temper their behaviour they could have stayed in the stadium along with the real fans who didn't need to hear foul and abusive language?

Noteworthy, of course, that player was also ejected (apparently) for the same crime. Seems that the authorities are not on your side at all.

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by Matt de K » 31 May 2011 14:27

RoyalBlue Before I reveal our identity do you have some sympathy for our dilemma or not?! :wink:

I have to say that towards the end of the first half I said to myself

'f*ck it, we are 3-0 down, it's like a morgue and our team need some decent support, if I get thrown out for standing up with my kids and trying to get some chants going, so be it!'

I can remember thinking a similar thing at Brentford prior to Cureton's goal (yes, I was in the seats then due to the age of my kids). I later felt quite chuffed when Richard Wickson came up to me at the Mad Stad and referred to me as the nutter who had helped get the support going again!


Well - I was in row 26 in 133 and I only saw one instance of the big "sitting/standing debate". This all stemmed from a kid with ginger hair (stander) the two people behind him (a guy with greying hair & his partner) and a woman with her two children behind them.

The woman asked the two in front if they could sit down as her 2 young children couldn't see. He said he wasn't sitting down because the ginger kid was standing in front of him (which tbh was a lame excuse). The woman then started apologising to her two children because she couldn't do anything about it, and just sat there not being able to see a thing. Everyone else around was sitting. This is how I saw it anyway.

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by West Stand Man » 31 May 2011 14:29

Svlad Cjelli
Royal Rother It's not the swearing per se that I have a problem with, it's the spittle, contorted faces, vitriol and sheer hatred it's delivered with that I detest.

oxf*rd neanderthals.


+1

Swearing as an exclamation is a key part of football and perfectly natural. It's the foul-mouthed vitriol-filled abuse that's something quite different. (IMH0)



+1 (and by that I mean that the odd expletive that 'slips out' in surprise at an incident is tolerable - the vitriol filled abuse is not and should be stamped on)

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by Royal Rother » 31 May 2011 14:39

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Avon Royal Fuck off and never come back.

That really mattered to some of us. Have never been so ashamed to be a Reading fan. What happened on the pitch was football, it happens. However, what happened in the stands was unforgivable. Getting real fans ejected because they show passion is lower than low. If you don't like shouting and swearing then stay at home.

Oh, and nobody gives a fuck if there are kids present.


Grow up.

If your vocabulary is so poor that you are compelled to swear to get your point across then accept the hit.

Oh, and yes it does matter that kids and decent folk of an adult age are present because (like it or not) they represent a greater proportion of the fan base and the future of the club than people who think that being offensive and abusive is 'part of the game'. maybe if those 'real fans' had been willing to temper their behaviour they could have stayed in the stadium along with the real fans who didn't need to hear foul and abusive language?

Noteworthy, of course, that player was also ejected (apparently) for the same crime. Seems that the authorities are not on your side at all.

Indeed to the underlined bit. I made this point earlier in the thread. These people are actually in the small minority of STHs, and even smaller minority of the total supporter base, yet extraordinarily they seem to believe they have a right to call the shots on how fans should behave, and which type of fans are welcome at the Mad Stad.

Most people DO NOT go to football to shout and scream abuse at the referee, the opposition fans or players...

As far as the majority of supporters are concerned it would be the likes of Avon Royal who can fcuk off and never come back.


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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by Scylla » 31 May 2011 14:41

I directed a few words at Khizanishvili when he got himself booked but my 6 year old gave be a very stern look and I behaved myself for the rest of the match.

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by Bandini » 31 May 2011 14:44

When I started going as a child the swearing, hostility between the two sets of fans and between fans and the other side were pretty much key to getting me hooked on going, and then sustained me during the long periods of tedium on the pitch.

A brief delve into my memory banks over the past 26 years suggests that it isn't especially prudent to rely on exciting football to keep the fans coming back for more (and that's during what has been a very strong time for our club).

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by royalsteve » 31 May 2011 14:47

West Stand Man
Avon Royal Fuck off and never come back.

That really mattered to some of us. Have never been so ashamed to be a Reading fan. What happened on the pitch was football, it happens. However, what happened in the stands was unforgivable. Getting real fans ejected because they show passion is lower than low. If you don't like shouting and swearing then stay at home.

Oh, and nobody gives a fuck if there are kids present.


Grow up.

If your vocabulary is so poor that you are compelled to swear to get your point across then accept the hit.

Oh, and yes it does matter that kids and decent folk of an adult age are present because (like it or not) they represent a greater proportion of the fan base and the future of the club than people who think that being offensive and abusive is 'part of the game'. maybe if those 'real fans' had been willing to temper their behaviour they could have stayed in the stadium along with the real fans who didn't need to hear foul and abusive language?

Noteworthy, of course, that player was also ejected (apparently) for the same crime. Seems that the authorities are not on your side at all.


bet you are a bundle of laughs on a day out

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by skipper » 31 May 2011 14:56

You know. I left as the whistle went, and I never lost any time for it.

Was impressed how quick we got out the stadium, and how quick we got to the station, and how quick the station got going.

Leaving early served no purpose. I understand it does at the Madjeski.


I assume we didn't get a lap of honour?


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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by West_Reading » 31 May 2011 14:57

West_Reading Was sat in 129 and encountered no problems with standing everytime we attacked, or for a prolonged period after our second goal. I've virtually lost my voice too as the atmosphere in our block was pretty good.

I also stayed for five to ten minutes after the final whistle, not because I thought it was the last time we'd see Long, Kebe etc in Reading shirts, but to thank the team for a great season in which we've been thoroughly entertained and in particular for a rousing second half performance which epitomised everything we're about and left me proud to be a Royal. We left with our heads held high.


Checked my ticket and I was actually sat in block 125 not 129. But everything I said above still stands. No problems with standing and good atmosphere.

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by Norfolk Royal » 31 May 2011 15:05

Seal Also it seems as though a lot of these problems with "day trippers" came from those in the 130s. And the main problem was people being told to sit down / silence from fans.

These by all accounts were the most popular seats, which suggests that actually these fans must have been at the front of the queue for tickets, ergo...they were actually season ticket holders? :?

Maybe it's a proportion of our ST base who are the ones who spoil the "fun", and to be fair, feel they have a right to complain as they are there through thick an thin?

I was with what you would define as a few day trippers, but they were standing, singing, swearing and bundling when we scored with the best of them.

Think it's a bit of a misnomer that loyalty necessarily = passion (in terms of displaying it in an extroverted way).

Just food for thought?


I think the amount of alcohol shipped before the game has a link to this.

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by West Stand Man » 31 May 2011 15:10

royalsteve

bet you are a bundle of laughs on a day out



Probably not to a Neanderthal, no. To a balanced human with a sense of fun - possibly.

If fun = being vile and abusive for no obvious reason I can confidently say I am not a lot of fun. If (as I believe) fun is more about enjoying yourself without being offensive to others then I reckon I am ok.

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by Forbury Lion » 31 May 2011 15:13

Perhaps the club and Wembley are at fault for not having a designated family area, one block or two, depending on demand, where bad language is cracked down on and a family friendly atmosphere away from the away fans is promoted along with enforced seating at all times.

They can station a hotdog seller or two, plus mascots nearby for further family fun.

Meanwhile, the rest of us can get on with enjoying football. Those with kids who want to sit with the rest of us should either leave them at home or put up with it.

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by West Stand Man » 31 May 2011 15:17

Forbury Lion Perhaps the club and Wembley are at fault for not having a designated family area, one block or two, depending on demand, where bad language is cracked down on and a family friendly atmosphere away from the away fans is promoted along with enforced seating at all times.

They can station a hotdog seller or two, plus mascots nearby for further family fun.

Meanwhile, the rest of us can get on with enjoying football. Those with kids who want to sit with the rest of us should either leave them at home or put up with it.



Were you actually there? If there was to be segregation it would have needed to be a couple of blocks for those who find abusive and aggressive behaviour essential so that the vast majority of families and other 'normal' people could enjoy their day out. The whole of the West End was, essentially, the family area that had been infiltrated by the minority who don't think families should be there at all. Get the message, it is the families who were in the majority yesterday - and a good thing too as most of those kids will want to come again and will become loyal fans over time.

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by No Fixed Abode » 31 May 2011 15:23

Reading fans are a weird bunch.

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Re: FAO Daytrippers

by Seal » 31 May 2011 15:26

West Stand Man
Forbury Lion Perhaps the club and Wembley are at fault for not having a designated family area, one block or two, depending on demand, where bad language is cracked down on and a family friendly atmosphere away from the away fans is promoted along with enforced seating at all times.

They can station a hotdog seller or two, plus mascots nearby for further family fun.

Meanwhile, the rest of us can get on with enjoying football. Those with kids who want to sit with the rest of us should either leave them at home or put up with it.



Were you actually there? If there was to be segregation it would have needed to be a couple of blocks for those who find abusive and aggressive behaviour essential so that the vast majority of families and other 'normal' people could enjoy their day out. The whole of the West End was, essentially, the family area that had been infiltrated by the minority who don't think families should be there at all. Get the message, it is the families who were in the majority yesterday - and a good thing too as most of those kids will want to come again and will become loyal fans over time.


I have no facts to back this up, but from my observations there's is no way families were in the majority. I would say at least 70% of the fans I observed, were groups of adults withOUT kids.

*I will caveat that with the note that I did spend a large portion of the day in the pub.
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