Villa , " let's take the positives "

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by jellytot » 27 Nov 2012 22:35

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akranes We uh, strung two passes together


Fuck off, when?


4 in a row early in the first half, I was counting :oops:
Must be some kind of record?


We soon got bored of that and had a good old fashion hoof and run. Let's all hoof ourselves back into the Championship. We were sooooooo poor. And Villa were there for the taking. We never had any idea what to do. Roberts bless him looks so frustrated. Midfield is woeful when the ball does end up there we give it away.

So time to sign more long ball larries. We may as well not play a midfield. Just hoof it and hope for the best. Clueless clueless

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by SCIAG » 27 Nov 2012 22:40

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Best performance of the season from a Reading right back
Tabb had possibly his best ever game for us
Shorey played well
No Gorkss, and both centre backs did well.

Negatives:
No creativity
We made Villa look like Swansea.


I'm getting worried about fellow fans , " Tabb had possibly best game ever for us " !!! I presume the demon drink is involved !

Unfortunately not. I though Tabb was really good. First time I've seen him outperform Legs. But then that was probably Legs' worst ever match for us (except maybe Watford at home last season) so...

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by SydenhamRoyal » 27 Nov 2012 22:44

akranes We uh, strung two passes together


We did?

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by SydenhamRoyal » 27 Nov 2012 22:47

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winchester_royal It's a great time to be a Reading FC fan..


I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell you that whatever happens this year it will be the third best season in our history. :roll:


I have to say that whatever happens this year it will be the third best in our history :mrgreen:

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by Gunny Fishcake » 27 Nov 2012 22:47

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leicsRoyal What's the point of putting a positive spin on anything when we have just lost in a pretty toothless display to another of our relegation rivals?

Whilst I appreciate 'Villa's a hard place to go'


In all fairness, both sides were f*cking dire.

That game made parks football on a Sunday morning look like tiki-taki Barcelona-style flimflam.

A distressing example of why the 'best league in the world' is actually a half-dressed whore's bag of f*cking shite.

Finishing from both sides was dismal. Passing was abysmal. Effort was minimal.

I'm about as arsed as the players were to carry on. Thank God for beer.

Cheers and that, yeah?


:lol:


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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by RoyalBlue » 27 Nov 2012 22:50

Tbf I thought Cummings had a great game tonight, which will probably mean McDermott drops him like last time!

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by RepressedRoyal » 27 Nov 2012 22:52

Time for a change, we have lost to a very poor Villa side and a Wigan team savaged by injury, 0 points from these two games is disastrous and stinks of relegation. I like McDermott but our two "marquee signings" Pogbreynak and Guthrie are useless/not playing and the other signings, Shorey apart, are useless; when you have a player like Tabb playing our best football you know we are doomed.

If Reading want relegation, stick with the "these are an honest bunch policy" or alternatively pay McDermott off and get someone in who can start re-building quickly. It is a repeat performance of when Coppell showed too much loyalty with players not cutting it when we were relegated in 2008, when it could have been avoided.

McDermott has been a brilliant servant but is tactically naive and has bought poorly, Everton was a blip when we pounced on their complacency, we should have been battered out of sight in that game; it bought BM time and he has failed miserably to capitalise on it with two performances bereft of anything other than "hope for the best" dross.

If Zingarevich really means business, he should give BM a financial handshake, wish him all the best and move on, otherwise we are sinking without a trace in humiliating circumstances.

When you get the chance at the big table and you have the finances to have a right go at it, you should give it a good go, we have made tens of millions from promotion and done what? Trusted a bunch of over achieving Championship players that's what.

I can't name a player in our side (maybe Morrison and McArthy one day?) who would play in anything other than a relegation bound side.

Who dares wins, who bottles it gets relegated.

I am embarrassed tonight.

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by Forest Gump » 27 Nov 2012 22:57

And stop baking in the glory of a win against Everton which was far less important than the zix pointers against fellow struggles - none of whom we could beat at home or take a point off away.

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by The Real Sandhurst Royal » 28 Nov 2012 07:49

It was time for change in the summer; the management team have failed badly in this department.

It is time for change and a clear out NOW, although it may well be already too late to save our season.


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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by Avon Royal » 28 Nov 2012 07:55

The Real Sandhurst Royal It was time for change in the summer; the management team have failed badly in this department.

It is time for change and a clear out NOW, although it may well be already too late to save our season.


It is clearly too late to save our season - we need to abort it now and begin planning for the future.

Bring a new man in, clear out the old dead wood and any other player who won't form part of our long term future, blood some youngsters and get set up to avoid a consecutive relegation next season.

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by LUX » 28 Nov 2012 07:58

Avon Royal [It is clearly too late to save our season - we need to abort it now and begin planning for the future.

Bring a new man in, clear out the old dead wood and any other player who won't form part of our long term future, blood some youngsters and get set up to avoid a consecutive relegation next season.



fcking hell.

The Team Board is poor at the best of times, full of screaming jennies, but you are my number one "I wish I supported a different team to him" poster.

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by East Stand Ste » 28 Nov 2012 08:04

here's a positive for you; cheaper tickets next season....oh and another one; no south stand day trippers or away fans in the home end next season

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by Avon Royal » 28 Nov 2012 08:05

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Avon Royal [It is clearly too late to save our season - we need to abort it now and begin planning for the future.

Bring a new man in, clear out the old dead wood and any other player who won't form part of our long term future, blood some youngsters and get set up to avoid a consecutive relegation next season.



fcking hell.

The Team Board is poor at the best of times, full of screaming jennies, but you are my number one "I wish I supported a different team to him" poster.


:lol: Ah, bless.

Apologies for having a different opinion old chap, but if you don't like different opinions then maybe a "discussion" board isn't for you.


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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by LUX » 28 Nov 2012 08:11

damn, I didn't think of that.

You've outfoxed me.

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by Esteban » 28 Nov 2012 08:29

RepressedRoyal Time for a change, we have lost to a very poor Villa side and a Wigan team savaged by injury, 0 points from these two games is disastrous and stinks of relegation. I like McDermott but our two "marquee signings" Pogbreynak and Guthrie are useless/not playing and the other signings, Shorey apart, are useless; when you have a player like Tabb playing our best football you know we are doomed.

If Reading want relegation, stick with the "these are an honest bunch policy" or alternatively pay McDermott off and get someone in who can start re-building quickly. It is a repeat performance of when Coppell showed too much loyalty with players not cutting it when we were relegated in 2008, when it could have been avoided.

McDermott has been a brilliant servant but is tactically naive and has bought poorly, Everton was a blip when we pounced on their complacency, we should have been battered out of sight in that game; it bought BM time and he has failed miserably to capitalise on it with two performances bereft of anything other than "hope for the best" dross.

If Zingarevich really means business, he should give BM a financial handshake, wish him all the best and move on, otherwise we are sinking without a trace in humiliating circumstances.

When you get the chance at the big table and you have the finances to have a right go at it, you should give it a good go, we have made tens of millions from promotion and done what? Trusted a bunch of over achieving Championship players that's what.

I can't name a player in our side (maybe Morrison and McArthy one day?) who would play in anything other than a relegation bound side.

Who dares wins, who bottles it gets relegated.

I am embarrassed tonight.


And who is the next manager going to bring in to change it? When AZ took over, he said we would still be frugal, but wouldn't necessarily have to sell our best players. He's kept that promise. McDermott saved us from league 1, took us to a Wembley play-off final (despite losing his best players and on a shoe string budget) and then with a little TSI money, won us the Championship.

There's no doubt that everyone at the club is overachieving, we know we lack quality, but not effort or desire. That almost certainly won't be enough to keep us up, but it will afford us 4 seasons of parachute payments, which is very important for us.

You can be as disappointed with the results as you like, you can call for a new manager, but it won't change the business model that TSI want to follow. If you can't get on board with it, then you'll be a very upset Reading fan.

Be careful of what you wish for. If McDermott goes, who will we bring in who could do any better?

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by Avon Royal » 28 Nov 2012 08:52

Esteban
but wouldn't necessarily have to sell our best players. He's kept that promise.


Yeah, but if we hadn't have won promotion last year, how many of our players would have been targeted by Premier League clubs?

We couldn't give them away.

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by Wizard » 28 Nov 2012 09:57

Thought the defence was pretty solid. Other than the goal and Weimann blasting way over, Villa didn't really carve through us like Wigan did.

That's my positive.

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by RepressedRoyal » 28 Nov 2012 10:33

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RepressedRoyal Time for a change, we have lost to a very poor Villa side and a Wigan team savaged by injury, 0 points from these two games is disastrous and stinks of relegation. I like McDermott but our two "marquee signings" Pogbreynak and Guthrie are useless/not playing and the other signings, Shorey apart, are useless; when you have a player like Tabb playing our best football you know we are doomed.

If Reading want relegation, stick with the "these are an honest bunch policy" or alternatively pay McDermott off and get someone in who can start re-building quickly. It is a repeat performance of when Coppell showed too much loyalty with players not cutting it when we were relegated in 2008, when it could have been avoided.

McDermott has been a brilliant servant but is tactically naive and has bought poorly, Everton was a blip when we pounced on their complacency, we should have been battered out of sight in that game; it bought BM time and he has failed miserably to capitalise on it with two performances bereft of anything other than "hope for the best" dross.

If Zingarevich really means business, he should give BM a financial handshake, wish him all the best and move on, otherwise we are sinking without a trace in humiliating circumstances.

When you get the chance at the big table and you have the finances to have a right go at it, you should give it a good go, we have made tens of millions from promotion and done what? Trusted a bunch of over achieving Championship players that's what.

I can't name a player in our side (maybe Morrison and McArthy one day?) who would play in anything other than a relegation bound side.

Who dares wins, who bottles it gets relegated.

I am embarrassed tonight.


And who is the next manager going to bring in to change it? When AZ took over, he said we would still be frugal, but wouldn't necessarily have to sell our best players. He's kept that promise. McDermott saved us from league 1, took us to a Wembley play-off final (despite losing his best players and on a shoe string budget) and then with a little TSI money, won us the Championship.

There's no doubt that everyone at the club is overachieving, we know we lack quality, but not effort or desire. That almost certainly won't be enough to keep us up, but it will afford us 4 seasons of parachute payments, which is very important for us.

You can be as disappointed with the results as you like, you can call for a new manager, but it won't change the business model that TSI want to follow. If you can't get on board with it, then you'll be a very upset Reading fan.

Be careful of what you wish for. If McDermott goes, who will we bring in who could do any better?


I think you are right in many ways, but the plan is not working and a new manager needs to be a solid name within football, not someone like Hughes or Warnock. There is an opportunity, with the huge Thames Valley catchment area, for big things at Reading but we are, as a friend of mine put it, always Conservative with a small "c".

BM has been excellent but there are glaring inadequacies at how he has dealt with promotion and the level of performance seems bereft of any real plan, though I am sure there is one...there must be, surely?

Most of us on here work for either companies or ourselves.

If we achieve, we look for financial reward.

BM got that.

If we implement ideas and staff that do not benefit and even hinder the business of our company, we expect ramifications

BM has to expect that.

BM is rewarded with a high end salary that would be expected at director level in blue chip organisations, he has to deliver and at the moment he is nowhere near that. Teams that initially looked worse than us (Villa, Saints and Norwich) have improved dramatically, QPR will improve and we will be left at the basement playing hoofball whilst consoling ourselves about parachute payments.

I see that as a huge opportunity wasted for Reading Football club, the only opportunity we are taking is one that allows us to punch a gift horse square in the mouth. Ask Hull, Coventry, Burnley, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday and Portsmouth about a quick return to the top flight, then stand well back.

We need a manager who has top flight pedigree and can raise the profile of the club, sadly, I just don't think McDermott has the "stage presence" to manage at this level, he just looks out of his depth.

Advocaat would be a good shout, though possibly an unrealistic one.

The time has come....

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by M Brook » 28 Nov 2012 10:44

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SCIAG Positives:
Best performance of the season from a Reading right back
Tabb had possibly his best ever game for us
Shorey played well
No Gorkss, and both centre backs did well.

Negatives:
No creativity
We made Villa look like Swansea.


I'm getting worried about fellow fans , " Tabb had possibly best game ever for us " !!! I presume the demon drink is involved !


The problem is you're probably both right about Tabby. He may well have had his best game for us but he was still poor and out of his class. The fact that he is becoming a regular in the team (when he couldn't last year or the year before), illustrates perfectly the dilemma we find ourselves in. Tabby, solid pro tho he is, should not be playing in the Prem, he is average Champ at best. The problem is we have no one else. Bryn was on the bench last night!

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Re: Villa , " let's take the positives "

by larry1971 » 28 Nov 2012 10:50

worrying thing is we have now lost 2 successive games against our relegation rivals we don't expect to get much from games against the top 5 clubs but you simply can't afford to keep losing to the teams around you .

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