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[RoyalBlue]

Baldock did not touch that keeper and that was blatant cheating.

Reason he got sent off was the yellow in first half for petty dissent. This new guidelines brought in is proving an excellent decision and numerous players are getting sent off now for second yellows because of actions earlier in the game. I think it will stamp out a lot of dissent.

On and great win yesterday.... Getting a good vibe about this team

Must have watched different highlights to me, the commentator and the Channel 5 pundits, as all of us thought he got the first booking for a foul!

IMO the new guidelines are unlikely to make much difference as most of the dissent comes in the heat of the moment, rather than considered, and frequently is the result of one or more very poor refereeing decisions - the ref for our game v Brighton being a case in point where he seemed more concerned about dealing with dissent than bad fouls or other offences on the pitch.

JVDB was still displaying dissent at times during yesterday's game so he clearly hasn't been changed by the enforcement of the new guidelines!

[3points]

Reading the Cardiff forum they really seem to be a club on a downward spiral. Could be a decent chance for relegation?

[tidus_mi2]

Reading the Cardiff forum they really seem to be a club on a downward spiral. Could be a decent chance for relegation?

Don't think so, they're attitude towards their team very much mirrors ours for the last couple seasons, I expect they'll have a bad season but not be relegated.

[CountryRoyal]

Reading the Cardiff forum they really seem to be a club on a downward spiral. Could be a decent chance for relegation?

Don't think so, they're attitude towards their team very much mirrors ours for the last couple seasons, I expect they'll have a bad season but not be relegated.

Their defence is too good to go down imo, might be interesting without Marshall though but Amos is decent enough.

[LWJ]

Why the fcuk are we discussing Baldock v Newcastle? Are we that petty we care so much?????

[CountryRoyal]

Why the fcuk are we discussing Baldock v Newcastle? Are we that petty we care so much?????

No dude. Brighton are the petty ones who are obsessed with us... duh.



Anyway back to the original point of this thread.

To be fair the Reading fans have been vocal too

Much louder then Wolves and Newcastle.

[Nameless]

Baldock did not touch that keeper and that was blatant cheating.

Reason he got sent off was the yellow in first half for petty dissent. This new guidelines brought in is proving an excellent decision and numerous players are getting sent off now for second yellows because of actions earlier in the game. I think it will stamp out a lot of dissent.

On and great win yesterday.... Getting a good vibe about this team

Must have watched different highlights to me, the commentator and the Channel 5 pundits, as all of us thought he got the first booking for a foul!

IMO the new guidelines are unlikely to make much difference as most of the dissent comes in the heat of the moment, rather than considered, and frequently is the result of one or more very poor refereeing decisions - the ref for our game v Brighton being a case in point where he seemed more concerned about dealing with dissent than bad fouls or other offences on the pitch.

JVDB was still displaying dissent at times during yesterday's game so he clearly hasn't been changed by the enforcement of the new guidelines!

Other sports manage to avoid this apparently uncontrollable rage caused by incompetent officials, so why are footballers the exception who should be allowed to yell abuse because they think a throw was given the wrong way ?
I'm not sure what genetic advantage rugby players have that mean they can generally accept a decision whereas footballers have to argue about everything, even if they are clearly in the wrong.
The stupid thing is the dissent is never worthwhile. Once an official,has made a decision they don't change their minds, no matter how loudly you scream in their face. Players and managers need to realise that they are actually putting themselves at a disadvantage with their behaviour and sort it out. A clampdown by officials is simply a sign that there is a huge lack of leadership and common sense in the footballing world.

[sandman]

Here we go again with the Rugby bullshit.

Not sure when and why Rugby fans decided to preach about how morally superior they supposedly are to Football. As the histrionics when Australia beat Scotland showed, they aren't quite as respectful to the referee as they make out. I'm sure there are many other examples as well that are conveniently glossed over because Rugby doesn't have the same scrutiny that a more popular sport like Football has.

Let's not forget it's a sport that was invented by someone cheating.

[TFF]

"Rugby" Guaranteed to get a rise out of football fans.

Go on then, taking the wrong shaped ball out of the equation, name another sport where the officials get as much abuse as they do on a football pitch.

[Nameless]

Here we go again with the Rugby bullshit.

Not sure when and why Rugby fans decided to preach about how morally superior they supposedly are to Football. As the histrionics when Australia beat Scotland showed, they aren't quite as respectful to the referee as they make out. I'm sure there are many other examples as well that are conveniently glossed over because Rugby doesn't have the same scrutiny that a more popular sport like Football has.

Let's not forget it's a sport that was invented by someone cheating.

Sorry, wasn't trying to push anyone's knee jerk button ! As someone who has watched football regularly for more years than most posters have been alive, and also watch rugby and cricket often I'm fairly neutral in terms of advocating one sport over another.
You have to be a myopic moron to not see that the two sports are poles apart in terms of attitudes to officials. Of course there are isolated incidents in rugby (Neil Back was actually executed for pushing a ref 2 decades ago and yes, a Scot did tut under his breath in the World Cup).
But it's not a 'football v rugby' point. See cricket for another sport where the DEFAULT is that players and officials are not at war, likewise tennis, rugby league, basketball.
In football for too long it has been the accepted position that you argue, even if you know you are wrong. And you don't just argue, you insult and intimidate.
It helps that the standard of officials in top class rugby and cricket is extremely high, but also the decision making in those is fact based whereas football is mostly opinion based which does make it more open to disagreement.
The point remains that the level of dissent in football has been indefensibly high for years and it's counterproductive anyway.
It only benefit the game if players and managers just shut up and put their efforts into playing the game. The excuse that it is 'heat of the moment' is very weak. I hope there are enough brain cells in the game to realise that it makes more sense to defend a free kick than stand shouting at a man who is not going to change his mind anyway.

[sandman]

"Rugby" Guaranteed to get a rise out of football fans.

Go on then, taking the wrong shaped ball out of the equation, name another sport where the officials get as much abuse as they do on a football pitch.

Ever seen Stuart Broad bowl an over? Jimmy Anderson the other week? You regularly see Tennis players arguing with the Umpire at the change over, "You cannot be serious" ring any bells? Ever heard of Nick Kyrgios? Serena Williams once threatened to shove a Tennis Ball down the throat of a line judge for a more famous recent example in Tennis.

The one thing those sports have done to slightly eradicate such incidents is introduce an appeals system, those are the sports football should be following, where you get a certain amount of appeals. That is the only major rule from other Sports that Football should adopt.

Rugby itself does not get a rise out of me, although it's pious fans preaching grates on occasion. Perhaps it's jealousy because Football is more popular around the world. I can watch pretty much any sport but Rugby just doesn't interest me.

[Franchise FC]

"Rugby" Guaranteed to get a rise out of football fans.

Go on then, taking the wrong shaped ball out of the equation, name another sport where the officials get as much abuse as they do on a football pitch.

Ever seen Stuart Broad bowl an over? Jimmy Anderson the other week? You regularly see Tennis players arguing with the Umpire at the change over, "You cannot be serious" ring any bells? Ever heard of Nick Kyrgios? Serena Williams once threatened to shove a Tennis Ball down the throat of a line judge for a more famous recent example in Tennis.

The one thing those sports have done to slightly eradicate such incidents is introduce an appeals system, those are the sports football should be following, where you get a certain amount of appeals. That is the only major rule from other Sports that Football should adopt.

Rugby itself does not get a rise out of me, although it's pious fans preaching grates on occasion. Perhaps it's jealousy because Football is more popular around the world. I can watch pretty much any sport but Rugby just doesn't interest me.

But the fact that you can pick isolated incidents in these other sports versus the absolute guarantee that every football match will have those incidents is exactly why football needs to get its act together. The fact that fans and, more importantly, the administrators think that football is unique is a serious part of why my love for the game has waned.

[Brosef Stalin]

I'd consider reffing any sport bar football...like you need 22 thick pcunt, chav builders
shouting at you on a Sunday morning, furkdat.

You are taught from an early age to cheat in football i.e. claim anything!

I can't think of the sort of negotiating tactic footballers employ, working anywhere.

[sandman]

"Rugby" Guaranteed to get a rise out of football fans.

Go on then, taking the wrong shaped ball out of the equation, name another sport where the officials get as much abuse as they do on a football pitch.

Ever seen Stuart Broad bowl an over? Jimmy Anderson the other week? You regularly see Tennis players arguing with the Umpire at the change over, "You cannot be serious" ring any bells? Ever heard of Nick Kyrgios? Serena Williams once threatened to shove a Tennis Ball down the throat of a line judge for a more famous recent example in Tennis.

The one thing those sports have done to slightly eradicate such incidents is introduce an appeals system, those are the sports football should be following, where you get a certain amount of appeals. That is the only major rule from other Sports that Football should adopt.

Rugby itself does not get a rise out of me, although it's pious fans preaching grates on occasion. Perhaps it's jealousy because Football is more popular around the world. I can watch pretty much any sport but Rugby just doesn't interest me.

But the fact that you can pick isolated incidents in these other sports versus the absolute guarantee that every football match will have those incidents is exactly why football needs to get its act together. The fact that fans and, more importantly, the administrators think that football is unique is a serious part of why my love for the game has waned.

I was asked to provide examples and did so, don't change the parameters just because the answer provided examples that you weren't expecting.

Those are famous examples but similar incidents to various degrees go on all the time, they're just brushed under the carpet because other sports do not have the profile of the World's most popular sport.. At the end of an over in Cricket, they don't just go up to the Umpire and say "thanks for holding my Jumper".

[Platypuss]

I was asked to provide examples and did so, don't change the parameters just because the answer provided examples that you weren't expecting.

No you weren't, you were asked to:

"name another sport where the officials get as much abuse as they do on a football pitch"

It's you who has tried to change the parameters.

[From Despair To Where?]

What doesn't help is the 25 super slowmo replays from 6 different angles and analysis by people who don't actually know the laws but feel they are qualified to comment.

This all further erodes the referee's authority. Make a minor mistake and you receive a level of scrutiny that the players never have to experience. The ref is the fall guy that managers and players blame for their own shortcomings.

I'm not suggesting it didn't happen before saturation football coverage, far from it, but I think it's made it worse.

[Ian Royal]

"Rugby" Guaranteed to get a rise out of football fans.

Go on then, taking the wrong shaped ball out of the equation, name another sport where the officials get as much abuse as they do on a football pitch.

Ever seen Stuart Broad bowl an over? Jimmy Anderson the other week? You regularly see Tennis players arguing with the Umpire at the change over, "You cannot be serious" ring any bells? Ever heard of Nick Kyrgios? Serena Williams once threatened to shove a Tennis Ball down the throat of a line judge for a more famous recent example in Tennis.

The one thing those sports have done to slightly eradicate such incidents is introduce an appeals system, those are the sports football should be following, where you get a certain amount of appeals. That is the only major rule from other Sports that Football should adopt.

Rugby itself does not get a rise out of me, although it's pious fans preaching grates on occasion. Perhaps it's jealousy because Football is more popular around the world. I can watch pretty much any sport but Rugby just doesn't interest me.

I don't even like Rugby and it's plain that football could learn a massive lesson from the way players and refs interact in that sport.

Every single game of football you see players mouthing off, making appeals for decisions they know should go the other way, arguing with the ref, swearing, gesticulating at the linesmen. In Rugby, they stfu and the refs word is law. No one said there isn't gamesmanship or even the occasional blow up, but the difference is striking.

[Ian Royal]

What doesn't help is the 25 super slowmo replays from 6 different angles and analysis by people who don't actually know the laws but feel they are qualified to comment.

This all further erodes the referee's authority. Make a minor mistake and you receive a level of scrutiny that the players never have to experience. The ref is the fall guy that managers and players blame for their own shortcomings.

I'm not suggesting it didn't happen before saturation football coverage, far from it, but I think it's made it worse.

That and football, IMO is a far harder game to referee than most. The pace is high, the decisions often have a large subjective element to them, they happen in a whirl of activity, the number of decisions needed is high, and of course there are 22 players on the pitch actively trying to con you.

[Royal Rother]

I was asked to provide examples and did so, don't change the parameters just because the answer provided examples that you weren't expecting.

No you weren't, you were asked to:

"name another sport where the officials get as much abuse as they do on a football pitch"

It's you who has tried to change the parameters.

[WAZZOCK]

The difference with rugby is that there is enough technology in rugby for players to trust the referee/touch judges/TMO decisions. The basis that contentious issues can be irrefutably looked at means their calls very rarely get questioned.

Football refs are getting let down by a lack of reasonable technology, and it gets completely blown out of proportion by over analysis from pundits and more vocal support from more partisan fans.