Next Reading Manager

[From Despair To Where?]

I don't think a list where the bulk if the examples are Premier League (a notoriously 2 tier league) bottom feeders offers particularly strong evidence at all.

I've shown that interim to permenant managers at Reading tend to be very successful (Branfoot,Quinn/Gooding, Pardew, McDermott).

I just don't think you can draw any firm conclusions from any of the data whatsoever. The only correlation seems to be whether the club is well run or not and you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure that one out.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

It depends how you interpret it really.

I don't disagree, I've said and maintained that we do seem to have success with interim turned permanent managers, that does work in Ince's favour and it's exactly how I'd hope it would play out should we appoint him.

[From Despair To Where?]

I think a bigger factor is that we've been run as a basketcase for the past decade. If we rein that in, he has a chance, as does anybody. I do think we need some continuity though.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

I think a bigger factor is that we've been run as a basketcase for the past decade. If we rein that in, he has a chance, as does anybody. I do think we need some continuity though.

Yeah I do agree with that. Interim or not, our managers are lasting roughly 18 months or less in a job, we cannot get any sort of sustainability or continuity whatsoever, hopefully this is the chance we need to change that.

[Whore Jackie]

Have no issue with Ince being our next manager.

I have however heard a whisper that we are looking to appoint a manager from a Div 1 side at the mid to lower end of the table although I would have preferred Karl Robinson from Oxford who now look as though they are going to miss out on promotion whereas his previous club , MK Dons, who also play attractive football still have a chance.

Watch this space.

Michael Duff? Only name that leaps out given the criteria.

To be honest, I'd favour Ince because he's here, the players have responded to him and we're crying out for some continuity

I will be amazed if we try to appoint a manager from elsewhere - I just don't see us "wasting money" on compensation unless the guy we want is close to the end of his deal so would be cheap.

It could well be Hasselbaink that we are looking at if true.

According to Wikipedia, Duff's Cheltenham contract runs until June 2023. Also really can't see us appointing someone currently in work. Have we ever paid compensation for a manager?

Do wonder if the talk about Duff, stems from the recent Q&A evening with Coppell and McDermott. One of the questions was which up and coming manager would suit Reading. McDermott plumped for Duff, albeit with him scouting, Coppell mentoring and Hammond DoF. Pretty sure there was no-one in the room who didn't like that idea, but suspect that's probably not going to happen.

Assuming he keeps up up, and he wants it, it's got to be Ince.

[NathStPaul]

Ince is clearly going to be in charge next season, look at his body language and what he has been saying in recent weeks. It is completely different to when he first came into the club. Whether you agree with Ince being appointed or not it is happening.

[Snowflake Royal]

A list of failed interims is typical confirmation bias.

What you actually need is a list of all interims turned perm in a defined period, and then how many of those failed in significantly less than the average manager lifespan, how many lasted about average and how many succeeded, compared to the same for perm managers.

[Snowball]

If you read properly you would see it WASN’T a list of failed interims

Kenny Dalgleish and Robert de Matteo had very decent results, as did Sherwood.

I googled “football interim managers who became permanent”

And I simply posted what I found, because, you, in particular, seemed to be suggesting that those who felt interims rarely go on to do well, were just going on gut feeling rather than the real world

Sure Reading have had some joy and Michael Flynn at Newport County also had a lot of success

But there have been plenty of fall-off-a-cliff failures too

[Sutekh]

Michael Duff? Only name that leaps out given the criteria.

To be honest, I'd favour Ince because he's here, the players have responded to him and we're crying out for some continuity

I will be amazed if we try to appoint a manager from elsewhere - I just don't see us "wasting money" on compensation unless the guy we want is close to the end of his deal so would be cheap.

It could well be Hasselbaink that we are looking at if true.

According to Wikipedia, Duff's Cheltenham contract runs until June 2023. Also really can't see us appointing someone currently in work. Have we ever paid compensation for a manager?

Do wonder if the talk about Duff, stems from the recent Q&A evening with Coppell and McDermott. One of the questions was which up and coming manager would suit Reading. McDermott plumped for Duff, albeit with him scouting, Coppell mentoring and Hammond DoF. Pretty sure there was no-one in the room who didn't like that idea, but suspect that's probably not going to happen.

Assuming he keeps up up, and he wants it, it's got to be Ince.

Brendan Rodgers was probably the last time Reading paid “compensation” for a manager and obviously for Steve Coppell before Rodgers.

By the way would love the club to take up Brian’s suggestion (who wouldn’t?) would be the ideal time too with so many changes going to happen in the summer, shame it’s so unlikely

[YorkshireRoyal99]

If you read properly you would see it WASN’T a list of failed interims

Kenny Dalgleish and Robert de Matteo had very decent results, as did Sherwood.

I googled “football interim managers who became permanent”

And I simply posted what I found, because, you, in particular, seemed to be suggesting that those who felt interims rarely go on to do well, were just going on gut feeling rather than the real world

Sure Reading have had some joy and Michael Flynn at Newport County also had a lot of success

But there have been plenty of fall-off-a-cliff failures too

At least you clarified for those that didn't get it.

[From Despair To Where?]

If you read properly you would see it WASN’T a list of failed interims

Kenny Dalgleish and Robert de Matteo had very decent results, as did Sherwood.

I googled “football interim managers who became permanent”

And I simply posted what I found, because, you, in particular, seemed to be suggesting that those who felt interims rarely go on to do well, were just going on gut feeling rather than the real world

Sure Reading have had some joy and Michael Flynn at Newport County also had a lot of success

But there have been plenty of fall-off-a-cliff failures too

So basically it all goes back to the point that the success or otherwise of an interim turned permenant manager is basically down to the level of stability and expectation at any given club, which is pretty much true of any manager which then goes back to my point that I don't believe it's remotely statistically significant.

[Snowball]

If you read properly you would see it WASN’T a list of failed interims

Kenny Dalgleish and Robert de Matteo had very decent results, as did Sherwood.

I googled “football interim managers who became permanent”

And I simply posted what I found, because, you, in particular, seemed to be suggesting that those who felt interims rarely go on to do well, were just going on gut feeling rather than the real world

Sure Reading have had some joy and Michael Flynn at Newport County also had a lot of success

But there have been plenty of fall-off-a-cliff failures too

So basically it all goes back to the point that the success or otherwise of an interim turned permenant manager is basically down to the level of stability and expectation at any given club, which is pretty much true of any manager which then goes back to my point that I don't believe it's remotely statistically significant.

Point was DM was picking up 1.83 ppg

[From Despair To Where?]

And that is utterly irrelevant to any club other than Chelsea and that's my point, he did it at a club where that was expected. The moment he dropped below that expecatation he was sacked because failing to reach the knockout stages of the Champions League was deemed to be by an owner who is/was a loose cannon.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

And that is utterly irrelevant to any club other than Chelsea and that's my point, he did it at a club where that was expected. The moment he dropped below that expecatation he was sacked because the owner is/was a loose cannon.

A better statistic to show would be points per game as an interim, then points per game after being appointed as permanent manager.

[From Despair To Where?]

Over 20 % better as a permemant manager in the league.

18 pts in 11 league games as interim

23pts in 11 league games as permemant

He was sacked because of results in a competition 88 of the 92 clubs don't even compete in

Previously being interim is completely irrelevant, it's down to the expectation and stability at the club in question. The only correlation is that clubs lacking stability are more likely to appoint interim managers. Then again, clubs lacking stability are more likely to make managerial changes, period.

[From Despair To Where?]

If you read properly you would see it WASN’T a list of failed interims

Kenny Dalgleish and Robert de Matteo had very decent results, as did Sherwood.

I googled “football interim managers who became permanent”

And I simply posted what I found, because, you, in particular, seemed to be suggesting that those who felt interims rarely go on to do well, were just going on gut feeling rather than the real world

Sure Reading have had some joy and Michael Flynn at Newport County also had a lot of success

But there have been plenty of fall-off-a-cliff failures too

So basically it all goes back to the point that the success or otherwise of an interim turned permenant manager is basically down to the level of stability and expectation at any given club, which is pretty much true of any manager which then goes back to my point that I don't believe it's remotely statistically significant.

Point was DM was picking up 1.83 ppg

2.09ppg as a permenant manager. Your point?

[Dirk Gently]

Statistically this whole question of interim managers isn't valid.

An interim manager who doesn't do well at that stage will never be made permanent so your whole dataset to cpmpare against is faulty.

And asking "will an iterim manager made permanent do better than someone appointed permanently without a trial period?" isn't comparing like for like - an ex-interim manager will have had more matches to start changing the team and making an impact before being appointed, so their record over a certain number of matches will almost inevitably be better than a permanent appointee coming in "cold" to the job.

One basic thing being ignored here is that one of the key factors for managerial success is time - don't give that to a manager and they're on a hiding to nothing, whether they have a trail first or not.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Over 20 % better as a permemant manager in the league.

18 pts in 11 league games as interim

23pts in 11 league games as permemant

He was sacked because of results in a competition 88 of the 92 clubs don't even compete in

Previously being interim is completely irrelevant, it's down to the expectation and stability at the club in question. The only correlation is that clubs lacking stability are more likely to appoint interim managers. Then again, clubs lacking stability are more likely to make managerial changes, period.

I was talking in general, not specifically about Di Matteo, sorry I should have made that clear.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

One basic thing being ignored here is that one of the key factors for managerial success is time - don't give that to a manager and they're on a hiding to nothing, whether they have a trail first or not.

Not in every circumstance. Solskjaer had plenty of time at United during when he was the permanent manager and many view his time at the club as a failure.

[Snowflake Royal]

If you read properly you would see it WASN’T a list of failed interims

Kenny Dalgleish and Robert de Matteo had very decent results, as did Sherwood.

I googled “football interim managers who became permanent”

And I simply posted what I found, because, you, in particular, seemed to be suggesting that those who felt interims rarely go on to do well, were just going on gut feeling rather than the real world

Sure Reading have had some joy and Michael Flynn at Newport County also had a lot of success

But there have been plenty of fall-off-a-cliff failures too

To be fair, I never really read what you post.