YorkshireRoyal99 Financially we can compete in the Championship as well, the only reason we haven't in the last couple of seasons is due to restrictions due to the business plan.
The Royal ForesterSnowflake Royal Actually, on that point, our internal appointments are pretty great. We should do that more.
McGhee was internal wasn’t he? His appointment was before my time.
Jim and Mick - internal, decent
Pardew - internal, great
McDermott - internal, great
Bowen - internal, decent
I am quite certain McGhee wasn't an internal appointment.
Pardew I think he was with us before his appointment, but didn't he leave and was recalled to become manager?
If McGhee was before your time, you will not know about the years in the lower divisions and have only seen the better years, until the last few seasons,, I do and would rather not go back there, thank you.
Lower WestYorkshireRoyal99 Financially we can compete in the Championship as well, the only reason we haven't in the last couple of seasons is due to restrictions due to the business plan.
We are only in this position as Dai said f*** the rules. He gambled with the club's future and lost. Blame lies in only in one place. Suggesting otherwise simply deflects from the shenanigans that have gone on behind the scenes at the club for the past few years.
blythspartanThe Royal ForesterSnowflake Royal Actually, on that point, our internal appointments are pretty great. We should do that more.
McGhee was internal wasn’t he? His appointment was before my time.
Jim and Mick - internal, decent
Pardew - internal, great
McDermott - internal, great
Bowen - internal, decent
I am quite certain McGhee wasn't an internal appointment.
Pardew I think he was with us before his appointment, but didn't he leave and was recalled to become manager?
If McGhee was before your time, you will not know about the years in the lower divisions and have only seen the better years, until the last few seasons,, I do and would rather not go back there, thank you.
Just out of interest when did you start supporting Reading? I started in 1972 and tbf I saw 5 promotions up until the 1993/94 season. There was some pretty grim seasons from memory but in the main I loved it. My dad went back to the days of Ronnie Blackman and he always remembered the old Division 3 South days best of all.
I’d rather we stayed up but I think the bottom line is we aren’t going to have much choice the way it’s looking. For me apart from a couple of highlights the 7 -10 years have been my worst years supporting the club.
Pretty sure Alex Ferguson recommended McGhee to Sir John.
Snowflake RoyaltmesisOnce were Biscuitmen Scraping survival in the Championship is still a much better hope than an amazing turnaround from the third tier.
An amazing turnaround which would have to be achieved while sticking to a buisness plan that won't exactly help with recruitment, especially with many contracted players on championship wages, and possibly still having Puscas on the books.
You also need to address the obvious contradiction of people saying going down will be fine, even beneficial, with those same people calling for Ince to be sacked because he'll take us down.
There's no contradiction. People want Ince gone because he's doing a bad job and has us playing abysmal no hope football. If you want any hope of turning it around, there needs to be a fresh perspective. And if we do go down, he's shown absolutely nothing to suggest he's the man to turn it around in that event.
We don't have many contracted players on Championship wages. Our remaining contracted first team players are:
Bouzanis - signed under the current Business Plan and came from L2 as a reserve, will be on peanuts
Yiadom - came from relegated Barnsley, not likely to be on that much
Holmes - new contract recently, not likely to be on that much, sellable
McIntyre - new contract recently, not likely to be on that much, maybe sellable
Sarr - signed under the current Business Plan, not going to be on much
Ejaria - one of our last fairly high earners, not wanted and probably find someone to pick him up if we're relegated
Ince - signed recently, not likely to be on that much probably one of the higher earners though. Sellable.
Carroll - signed during the Business Plan, won't be on much
Puscas - one of the last higher earners, has a sale deal in place, we've managed to loan him out two seasons running already
That's a max of 3, maybe 4 players on much over £8k a week.
League One turnarounds are common. Financially, we'll be able to compete with most L1 sides. Our wage budget this season is reportedly lower than Wigan or Rotherham. Being mid-table or top half in League One is more enjoyable than being bottom 8 in the Championship every season.
The Royal ForesterblythspartanThe Royal Forester I am quite certain McGhee wasn't an internal appointment.
Pardew I think he was with us before his appointment, but didn't he leave and was recalled to become manager?
If McGhee was before your time, you will not know about the years in the lower divisions and have only seen the better years, until the last few seasons,, I do and would rather not go back there, thank you.
Just out of interest when did you start supporting Reading? I started in 1972 and tbf I saw 5 promotions up until the 1993/94 season. There was some pretty grim seasons from memory but in the main I loved it. My dad went back to the days of Ronnie Blackman and he always remembered the old Division 3 South days best of all.
I’d rather we stayed up but I think the bottom line is we aren’t going to have much choice the way it’s looking. For me apart from a couple of highlights the 7 -10 years have been my worst years supporting the club.
Pretty sure Alex Ferguson recommended McGhee to Sir John.
I first went to Elm park way back in the 1950's, My dad took me to se a FA Cup game against Manchester United. I can't say that was when I started to support The Biscuitmen, though. That came during Harry Johnson's reign, ironically, after my parents moved to Windsor from Whitley Wood, it was to meet up with my old friends from the estate I used to live on and somewhere to go whilst doing so. Those friends dropped off, but I made friends with other fans and we spent the next decade going to all the home games and a lot of the away games, (Workington was my furthest trip, which in those days meant a night in a hotel) and even going to some of the nearest reserve away fixtures, I think Ashton Gate was the longest trip for the reserve team. I must admit though after that getting a job where I had to work all day Saturdays, getting married, moving further away from Berkshire, having children, paying household bills meant that, that part of my life was sadly left behind and since then only occasional visits have been possible, although I did and still do keep up with all things Royal which is much easier now with the Internet, of course.. I expect you now think "Oh, he's not a supporter, he hasn't been for years" As I don't put money into the club these days, I could agree with you. But I like to think I am a fan and remain Blue and White hoops for the rest of my live.
The Royal ForesterSnowflake Royal Actually, on that point, our internal appointments are pretty great. We should do that more.
McGhee was internal wasn’t he? His appointment was before my time.
Jim and Mick - internal, decent
Pardew - internal, great
McDermott - internal, great
Bowen - internal, decent
I am quite certain McGhee wasn't an internal appointment.
Pardew I think he was with us before his appointment, but didn't he leave and was recalled to become manager?
If McGhee was before your time, you will not know about the years in the lower divisions and have only seen the better years, until the last few seasons,, I do and would rather not go back there, thank you.
YorkshireRoyal99Lower WestYorkshireRoyal99 Financially we can compete in the Championship as well, the only reason we haven't in the last couple of seasons is due to restrictions due to the business plan.
We are only in this position as Dai said f*** the rules. He gambled with the club's future and lost. Blame lies in only in one place. Suggesting otherwise simply deflects from the shenanigans that have gone on behind the scenes at the club for the past few years.
It wasn't suggesting that the position we are in isn't our fault, it was suggesting that we can compete with most Championship clubs on an economic scale without restrictions and that we don't have to drop to L1 for that to be the case.
Elm Park KidYorkshireRoyal99Lower West
We are only in this position as Dai said f*** the rules. He gambled with the club's future and lost. Blame lies in only in one place. Suggesting otherwise simply deflects from the shenanigans that have gone on behind the scenes at the club for the past few years.
It wasn't suggesting that the position we are in isn't our fault, it was suggesting that we can compete with most Championship clubs on an economic scale without restrictions and that we don't have to drop to L1 for that to be the case.
If you're talking about what we are able to spend under general P&S rules that apply to all clubs - then we currently can't compete equally against:
1 - Anyone with parachute payments
2 - Any club that has significantly higher income than us due to higher attendances/commercial income.
3 - Any club whose owners decide that they are going to basically ignore P&S and hope they get away with it.
That makes up a depressingly high percentage of the league.
Once we get rid of our most expensive players from the wage bill and can start paying average wages of £12-14k I expect us to be able to build a better squad than what we have now. But we're never going to be in a position where we can buy the players needed to guarantee a promotion push. Everything season is basically going to be rolling a dice and hoping that the players we've brought all turn out well.
NathStPaul Really looking forward to the League 1 rebuild. Even the most optimistic supporter has to accept its nailed on now so just embrace it.
Snowflake RoyalThe Royal ForesterSnowflake Royal Actually, on that point, our internal appointments are pretty great. We should do that more.
McGhee was internal wasn’t he? His appointment was before my time.
Jim and Mick - internal, decent
Pardew - internal, great
McDermott - internal, great
Bowen - internal, decent
I am quite certain McGhee wasn't an internal appointment.
Pardew I think he was with us before his appointment, but didn't he leave and was recalled to become manager?
If McGhee was before your time, you will not know about the years in the lower divisions and have only seen the better years, until the last few seasons,, I do and would rather not go back there, thank you.
Pardew counts, he was in and out of the club at the time.
I've seen us in League One thanks, maybe not in the 70s/80s/early 90s, but in the late 90s and 00s. It was better than now.
The Royal ForesterSnowflake RoyalThe Royal Forester I am quite certain McGhee wasn't an internal appointment.
Pardew I think he was with us before his appointment, but didn't he leave and was recalled to become manager?
If McGhee was before your time, you will not know about the years in the lower divisions and have only seen the better years, until the last few seasons,, I do and would rather not go back there, thank you.
Pardew counts, he was in and out of the club at the time.
I've seen us in League One thanks, maybe not in the 70s/80s/early 90s, but in the late 90s and 00s. It was better than now.
Sadly, after todays result I now think we will be in League 1 next season. I only hope that it goes the way you think it will with a rebuild and return to the second tier is obtainable, not the way I fear of bobbing around the bottom two divisions or our club becomes extinct. It would not surprise me to see the club go the way of two of his other clubs have gone.
Royal_jimmy Look forward to administration and being relegated to league two
FezzaRoyal_jimmy Look forward to administration and being relegated to league two
Reckon this is a solid 50/50 if we’re relegated
NathStPaul Really looking forward to the League 1 rebuild. Even the most optimistic supporter has to accept its nailed on now so just embrace it.
FezzaRoyal_jimmy Look forward to administration and being relegated to league two
Reckon this is a solid 50/50 if we’re relegated
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