Old Timey Football Thread

[Winston Biscuit]

Colourised video of Glentoran Vs Cliftonville from 1897

https://youtu.be/hUJVaH7AP4I?si=ZZNpg8qBC6llAYT0

[stealthpapes]

really interesting It Was What It Was podcast this morning which is on the 84/85 season and the violence going on at games. Lots of incidents I didn't know about, as behaviour at matches really deteriorated. The end of season includes the Bradford fire and Heysal.

That season also had Birmingham vs Leeds, same day, lad on his first game gets killed as a wall gave way and horses on the pitch, and, in a FA cup replay iirc, the fighting on the pitch riot of Luton vs Millwall.

[Winston Biscuit]

Today is 100 years to the day that the modern offside law was brought in!

Ive mentioned it before on here as its one of my favourite english football history moments. changing it from 3 oppo players needed fo to be onside, to 2, and heralding a number of seasons of chaotic defences and record breaking seasons of goals, with Dixie Dean one of the biggest beneficiaries.

Good episode today from the It Was What It Was podcast

[bakerlou]

Today is 100 years to the day that the modern offside law was brought in!

Ive mentioned it before on here as its one of my favourite english football history moments. changing it from 3 oppo players needed fo to be onside, to 2, and heralding a number of seasons of chaotic defences and record breaking seasons of goals, with Dixie Dean one of the biggest beneficiaries.

Good episode today from the It Was What It Was podcast

Dixie Dean's record of 60 goals in a season (in 27/28) bettered George Camsell's record of 59 the season before.

Just to assess how impactful that change in the offside law was, the previous record until Camsell broke it was 44.

[Winston Biscuit]

Was looking at the history of the transfer record and then delving more into some of them

The first £100 player only happened because Villa were found to have 'illegally poached' West Brom's star goalscorer Willie Groves, and so the FA ordered them to pay a fine of £100 to West Brom.

From the start of organised football all record transfers were between British clubs until 1932 when River Plate more than doubled the record to sign Bernabé Ferreyra from cross city rivals Tigre. Ferreyra was a prolific goalscorer for them, won titles there and has gone down as one of their greatest ever players. It was also such a large amount of money that the record wasn't broken for another 17 years.

Since 1951, English clubs have only broken the world record twice. Shearer in 1996 and Pogba in 2016

[Sutekh]

And if anyone was wondering, the current world record (in fact both the top 2 highest value) transfer is held by Paris Saint Germain spending €222m (£200m) on Neymar in 2017. Makes the €180m (£163m) they then spent on Mbappe a year later look a bargain.

Record British transfer is £116m by Liverpool for Florian Wirtz (presuming he passes his medical), just ahead of the £115m paid by Chelsea for Moses Caicedo (still the record between British clubs).

[Winston Biscuit]

And if anyone was wondering, the current world record (in fact both the top 2 highest value) transfer is held by Paris Saint Germain spending €222m (£200m) on Neymar in 2017. Makes the €180m (£163m) they then spent on Mbappe a year later look a bargain.

Record British transfer is £116m by Liverpool for Florian Wirtz (presuming he passes his medical), just ahead of the £115m paid by Chelsea for Moses Caicedo (still the record between British clubs).

what is the record is debatable though I guess. basic amount vs add ons, how much of the add on gets paid, exchange rate at the time etc.

[Winston Biscuit]

I only learned today that in the 1982 world cup draw, England, Scotland and Northern Ireland were not allowed to be put into the same group as Argentina due to the Falklands war.

Also the 82 world cup draw was a totsl shambles and they had to amend it as they went

[tmesis]

I only learned today that in the 1982 world cup draw, England, Scotland and Northern Ireland were not allowed to be put into the same group as Argentina due to the Falklands war.

The draw took place nearly three months before Argentina invaded, so unless FIFA had some inside information from the then World Champions, it seems unlikely.

[Winston Biscuit]

[Sutekh]

I only learned today that in the 1982 world cup draw, England, Scotland and Northern Ireland were not allowed to be put into the same group as Argentina due to the Falklands war.

The draw took place nearly three months before Argentina invaded, so unless FIFA had some inside information from the then World Champions, it seems unlikely.

Think, if true, that that original statement would relate to the 1986 World Cup draw as the invasion of the Falkland islands wasn’t until the beginning of April 1982 so- as noted - how would FIFA have known to prevent the possibility of them playing each other in the groups at the draw, which I think was held in January 1982?

It obviously didn’t in the end, but there was serious talk at the time that Thatcher’s government would step in to tell the FA, IFA and SFA to withdraw England, Northern Ireland and Scotland from the finals and set up an alternative tournament amongst themselves

The first game England played against Argentina after the Falklands war was THAT game in 1986.

[BRO_BOT]

I only learned today that in the 1982 world cup draw, England, Scotland and Northern Ireland were not allowed to be put into the same group as Argentina due to the Falklands war.

The draw took place nearly three months before Argentina invaded, so unless FIFA had some inside information from the then World Champions, it seems unlikely.

Think, if true, that that original statement would relate to the 1986 World Cup draw as the invasion of the Falkland islands wasn’t until the beginning of April 1982 so- as noted - how would FIFA have known to prevent the possibility of them playing each other in the groups at the draw, which I think was held in January 1982?

It obviously didn’t in the end, but there was serious talk at the time that Thatcher’s government would step in to tell the FA, IFA and SFA to withdraw England, Northern Ireland and Scotland from the finals and set up an alternative tournament amongst themselves

The first game England played against Argentina after the Falklands war was THAT game in 1986.

The FA's Head of Light Banter should have insisted on a Falkand Islander being in the squad for the game

[Dirk Gently]

The draw took place nearly three months before Argentina invaded, so unless FIFA had some inside information from the then World Champions, it seems unlikely.

Think, if true, that that original statement would relate to the 1986 World Cup draw as the invasion of the Falkland islands wasn’t until the beginning of April 1982 so- as noted - how would FIFA have known to prevent the possibility of them playing each other in the groups at the draw, which I think was held in January 1982?

It obviously didn’t in the end, but there was serious talk at the time that Thatcher’s government would step in to tell the FA, IFA and SFA to withdraw England, Northern Ireland and Scotland from the finals and set up an alternative tournament amongst themselves

The first game England played against Argentina after the Falklands war was THAT game in 1986.

The FA's Head of Light Banter should have insisted on a Falkand Islander being in the squad for the game

Or have the mascots accompanying the team out all from the ranks of the Parachute Regiment...

[Winston Biscuit]

45 years ago today Diego Maradona signed for Boca Juniors as a 20 years old. He had already played 5 seasons for Argentinos Juniors and was in demand everywhere, with offers from Europe and with River Plate telling him they would make him the highest paid player in Argentina if he joined them. He was determined to play for Boca, and even though they struggled to be able to afford him, a deal was struck where he would go on loan to them first, then payments would be spread over a longer than usual period of time, and a friendly was played between the 2 clubs where he played 45 minutes for both clubs to help bring in more money for the selling club