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Re: Hunt out.

by andrew1957 » 21 Aug 2025 13:11

Extended-Phenotype I don’t think it’s as bad as the doom-mongers make out. A few adjustments and I think the team will click.

1. Wing needs to be played further forward. I’m not sure why he’s so deep, perhaps its due to the CBs lacking confidence and someone in midfield needing to fill in the space behind, or perhaps its based on the idea that as a counter-attacking side, Wing is thought to be better placed further back to collect the ball and start an attack with his superior passing. It’s not really working though, and for a guy who scores so many goals from outside the box, we really need him getting the ball in this hotspot.

2. I always felt Elliot was the better ‘all-rounder’ in terms of adopting a more defensive mid position. On paper, Fraser is also supposedly such a player. Why Elliot isn’t starting is a mystery to us, but perhaps he just isn’t up to full fitness yet or there is an issue with him we are unaware of. Or perhaps Hunt just wants to give his new signings a run out in order to assess who best to play where. It’s nice to have the dilemma. I think Elliot has proved himself though, so hopefully we will see more of him. I wouldn’t be upset with Fraser in the DM hole though.

3. Its harsh on Kelvin, but I don’t really like him in any position. Good as he can be, he’s not a traditional wide man, and he’s not a traditional striker, and I think his inclusion often causes more problems than it solves.

4. It’s just not clicking for O’Mahony. He’s not getting great service at the moment, but he doesn’t really make his own chances either. Counter example with Smith who also had dry spells, at least the latter always seemed to be involved in the game, creating chances for others. It’s hard to tell if O’Mahony is even on the pitch. Ideally you’d want to throw him on late in a game we are winning, so that he can ease into the team without so much pressure on him – perhaps he may come good. But we really do need someone new in the starting 11 to lead the line. I think if we had such a player from the start, our results so far would be very different. If I had a criticism for our new owners, it would be about them not making buying a striker the absolute priority. We were crying out for one even before we got rid of Wareham and Knibbs. To sell both of those guys AND not sign a new striker seems crazy.

5. Not sure what to do with Doyle. It’s always painful when you have strong players competing over the same position, but he really does look like a player not to add to our starting 11, but to replace someone in it – Wing or Savage, essentially. Tough to bench either of them, even after a poor game. But maybe that’s a hard decision that needs to be made. Doyle doesn’t seem like a wide player, and playing him centrally with both Wing and Savage would seem to maintain the problem of Wing ending up too deep. Then again, we had the three of Knibbs, Savage and Wing in the midfield before, so maybe it could work after all.

I guess then, I’d like to see:

.................Pereira
Ahmed, Burns, Williams, Ryan
.......Doyle, Wing, Savage
......Garcia, ????, Lane

Kinda like Kyerewaa, but Garcia is scoring goals somehow, so it would be harsh to drop him even if I’m not sure if RW is really his thing.


Think that is a pretty fair summary of the situation. I wonder if Fraser could take over the defensive midfield role to allow Wing to get up the field - or perhaps even Doyle (as he has lots of energy). And maybe placing Garcia up alongside MoM would help him get chances.

I think this is the issue for Hunty right now. There are lots of options/ways of playing and with new players it will take time to work out the best team and way of playing for the players he has at his disposal and so we are pretty much back to the start of 2023/24 rather than 2024/25 season and it took Selles 16 matches to work out a way of playing that was successful (as I said earlier we lost 11 of the first 16 games that season).

I just hope the new owners are more patient than Hobnobbers.

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Re: Hunt out.

by MouldyRoyal » 21 Aug 2025 13:13

I really liked Hunt as a player and think he is a fantastic guy who obviously holds Reading close in his heart, but he is not the right manager for me.

I felt when he took over that it was a cheap short term solution and that he probably wouldn't have the managerial nous to take us forward and it seems like that is the case. He did well last season with a paper thin squad but that was partly because he could just keep the squad on the same path that Selles had been able to establish. Everyone knew their role already and he could just leverage the siege mentality to keep momentum up.

Sadly we are now seeing he can't quite develop his own style that works in L1. Despite the stick at the new owners I think he has been supported well in the transfer market. Yes, we don't have a proper striker, but regardless of that the rest of the squad are all players that should not be achieving 1 point after 4 games. He has been unlucky* with injuries however, losing the best rated CB from L1 last year and a championship winger before they can have any impact is harsh. But the results are due to a lack of a discernible or effective play style, or players not being able to achieve the play style that the manager expects. Either case is a flaw in management.

It probably is too soon to sack Hunt just off the basis of results, but I don't think he is the right manager for the club sadly, so if a knee jerk reaction does happen by the owners, well maybe that's for the best...

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Re: Hunt out.

by Brogue » 21 Aug 2025 13:19

Michael Carrick...

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Re: Hunt out.

by MouldyRoyal » 21 Aug 2025 13:22

Brogue Michael Carrick...


Would love that tbh

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Re: Hunt out.

by Armadillo Roadkill » 21 Aug 2025 13:35

You lose the players that contributed to two thirds of your goals the previous season.
You manage a club that has been hollowed out of resources for years until it's only just operating.
You lose two of the best centre halves to play in League 1 for many seasons - one to a Premier League club, the other to a Championship club.
Your recruitment is planned in weeks, not months, as would be the case for any other club.
You're still under tight controls on spending
You performed a near miracle the season before, when the manager left, you took over and actually improved results, despite losing your only recognised first-team striker.

You make an admittedly poor start and, even with all the above taken in to account, by game day four people are clamouring for you to get the sack.

It is literally impossible to underestimate the tunnel vision and short-termism of some football fans.

Hunt IN - at least until October. If things haven't improved by then, we have the conversation.


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Re: Hunt out.

by Hound » 21 Aug 2025 13:53

Tbh nearly every league 1 club manager can give us a hard luck story

We have a (the only?) Cat 1 academy in the division, a training ground most premier league clubs would be jealous of, were able to bring in players such as O Connor, Doyle and even O Mahony who other clubs would be envious of (at the time at least)

We also have or retained some of the best players in the division in JP, Savage and Wing

We simply should be doing better. We’ve wasted money on a couple of contacts tbh - Rushesha if he isn’t going to play, Okine Peters. Assume Hunt wanted those

I actually thought he was setting up a lot better last year. Last two games I’ve been really disappointed in the shape and tactics

But I don’t want him sacked at this point. But he needs to do a lot better tbh

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Re: Hunt out.

by West F » 21 Aug 2025 15:25

Brogue Michael Carrick...


That would be an appointment that Reading would make. Not one Wycombe would.

I would be astonished if it happened. As astonished as I was when Noel got a three year deal. :shock:

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by Crowbar6753 » 21 Aug 2025 15:53

Brogue Michael Carrick...


Wow, totally forgot he left Boro, how has he not been picked up yet or am i missing something here? We would be just the sort of club for someone like Carrick to make a name for himself.

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by Stranded » 21 Aug 2025 15:56

Brogue Michael Carrick...


Now are you just mentioning random football managers or are you suggesting something you naughty little man you...


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by The Cap » 21 Aug 2025 17:00

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Brogue Michael Carrick...


Now are you just mentioning random football managers or are you suggesting something you naughty little man you...


Does that mean Brogue is vertically challenged?

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Re: Hunt out.

by West F » 21 Aug 2025 17:02

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What was their previous username? IP check pls Brogue x


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by Brogue » 21 Aug 2025 17:07

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Re: Hunt out.

by Brogue » 21 Aug 2025 17:08

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Brogue Michael Carrick...


Now are you just mentioning random football managers or are you suggesting something you naughty little man you...


Does that mean Brogue is vertically challenged?


I’m 5ft 9


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by SouthDownsRoyal » 21 Aug 2025 17:23

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Wtf they can’t all be the same person

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by Whore Jackie » 21 Aug 2025 17:25

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Re: Hunt out.

by West F » 21 Aug 2025 17:32

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1. Redwood can’t afford to sack him.
2. Gareth Ainsworth and Matt Bloomfield are under contract elsewhere.
3. The board’s expectation is that we stay up.

Redwood aren't the people trying to manage the absence of Dai, they can absolutely afford to sack a manager.

Couhig has already gone on record saying he has three contingency managers to approach to replace Hunt if that becomes necessary for whatever reason and none of them are Ainsworth.

Hunt won't get sacked that soon, because sacking him that soon is ridiculous, not because of money or lack of alternate options.


They can’t sack him and won’t. It would cost too much money. They have seemingly brought in his targets. If another manager comes in, how many of the players that got Hunt the sack would he want? If they sacked Noel, then what? A new manager is going to want to empty a few saddles from the off. Coaching and playing staff. Stamp his authority on the club. We would have to be adrift in the bottom four for it to happen. With only a couple of months to turn it around. The only solution would be to bring in a level of manager who was happy to have any job, or one who would toe the line.
Even relegation wouldn’t affect things too much. You would just be Bradford city or MK Dons for a bit. You bought £60M of tangible assets for £25M. It is fine.

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Re: Hunt out.

by Snowflake Royal » 21 Aug 2025 17:44

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1. Redwood can’t afford to sack him.
2. Gareth Ainsworth and Matt Bloomfield are under contract elsewhere.
3. The board’s expectation is that we stay up.

Redwood aren't the people trying to manage the absence of Dai, they can absolutely afford to sack a manager.

Couhig has already gone on record saying he has three contingency managers to approach to replace Hunt if that becomes necessary for whatever reason and none of them are Ainsworth.

Hunt won't get sacked that soon, because sacking him that soon is ridiculous, not because of money or lack of alternate options.


They can’t sack him and won’t. It would cost too much money. They have seemingly brought in his targets. If another manager comes in, how many of the players that got Hunt the sack would he want? If they sacked Noel, then what? A new manager is going to want to empty a few saddles from the off. Coaching and playing staff. Stamp his authority on the club. We would have to be adrift in the bottom four for it to happen. With only a couple of months to turn it around. The only solution would be to bring in a level of manager who was happy to have any job, or one who would toe the line.
Even relegation wouldn’t affect things too much. You would just be Bradford city or MK Dons for a bit. You bought £60M of tangible assets for £25M. It is fine.

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Re: Hunt out.

by SouthDownsRoyal » 21 Aug 2025 17:51

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Snowflake Royal Redwood aren't the people trying to manage the absence of Dai, they can absolutely afford to sack a manager.

Couhig has already gone on record saying he has three contingency managers to approach to replace Hunt if that becomes necessary for whatever reason and none of them are Ainsworth.

Hunt won't get sacked that soon, because sacking him that soon is ridiculous, not because of money or lack of alternate options.


They can’t sack him and won’t. It would cost too much money. They have seemingly brought in his targets. If another manager comes in, how many of the players that got Hunt the sack would he want? If they sacked Noel, then what? A new manager is going to want to empty a few saddles from the off. Coaching and playing staff. Stamp his authority on the club. We would have to be adrift in the bottom four for it to happen. With only a couple of months to turn it around. The only solution would be to bring in a level of manager who was happy to have any job, or one who would toe the line.
Even relegation wouldn’t affect things too much. You would just be Bradford city or MK Dons for a bit. You bought £60M of tangible assets for £25M. It is fine.

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Isn’t it just.

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Re: Hunt out.

by Brogue » 21 Aug 2025 17:54

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Snowflake Royal Redwood aren't the people trying to manage the absence of Dai, they can absolutely afford to sack a manager.

Couhig has already gone on record saying he has three contingency managers to approach to replace Hunt if that becomes necessary for whatever reason and none of them are Ainsworth.

Hunt won't get sacked that soon, because sacking him that soon is ridiculous, not because of money or lack of alternate options.


They can’t sack him and won’t. It would cost too much money. They have seemingly brought in his targets. If another manager comes in, how many of the players that got Hunt the sack would he want? If they sacked Noel, then what? A new manager is going to want to empty a few saddles from the off. Coaching and playing staff. Stamp his authority on the club. We would have to be adrift in the bottom four for it to happen. With only a couple of months to turn it around. The only solution would be to bring in a level of manager who was happy to have any job, or one who would toe the line.
Even relegation wouldn’t affect things too much. You would just be Bradford city or MK Dons for a bit. You bought £60M of tangible assets for £25M. It is fine.

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Rare +1. Owners sack managers all the time especially new owners who want to bring their own guy. It’s the whole point in having a director of football. Or in this case head of recruitment Brian Carey. People like that provide a long term strategic overview for recruitment , ensuring consistency and long-term planning /team philosophy, which prevents over-reliance on short-term-focused managers and providing stability during managerial changes.

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Re: Hunt out.

by West F » 21 Aug 2025 18:18

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They can’t sack him and won’t. It would cost too much money. They have seemingly brought in his targets. If another manager comes in, how many of the players that got Hunt the sack would he want? If they sacked Noel, then what? A new manager is going to want to empty a few saddles from the off. Coaching and playing staff. Stamp his authority on the club. We would have to be adrift in the bottom four for it to happen. With only a couple of months to turn it around. The only solution would be to bring in a level of manager who was happy to have any job, or one who would toe the line.
Even relegation wouldn’t affect things too much. You would just be Bradford city or MK Dons for a bit. You bought £60M of tangible assets for £25M. It is fine.

Drivel


Rare +1. Owners sack managers all the time especially new owners who want to bring their own guy. It’s the whole point in having a director of football. Or in this case head of recruitment Brian Carey. People like that provide a long term strategic overview for recruitment , ensuring consistency and long-term planning /team philosophy, which prevents over-reliance on short-term-focused managers and providing stability during managerial changes.


I see no point in sacking Noel. Things would have to be desperate for that to happen. If there are long term plans in place, he must be part of that. Sacking him isn’t going to improve things at all. It isn’t the East stand or the Boardroom that gets you the sack. It is the dressing room. Lose that, and it’s over.

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